Minnesota man who killed teens in break-in charged with murder

[kcfanXIII]

i don't understand the murder charges. those teens gave up their rights when they broke into a home that wasn't theirs.

edit: i do agree he screwed up by not calling police immediately, and he handled it wrong. the executions may have been over the line.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

i don't understand the murder charges. those teens gave up their rights when they broke into a home that wasn't theirs.

edit: i do agree he screwed up by not calling police immediately, and he handled it wrong. the executions may have been over the line.

Good edit. I was about to explain it to you.


The executions ARE over the line.

[warpaint*]

Originally Posted by notorious

Good edit. I was about to explain it to you.


The executions ARE over the line.

Interesting when I read the headline to the thread I was afraid I was about to read about a legitimate self defense that was getting twisted into a murder charge but that is clearly not the case here.

I would have been perfectly fine w/ shooting each of them once to eliminate any threat and then calling the police immediately.

I also understand why he would be angry if he's been victimized by multiple break ins. But the way this dude reacted and the blatant disregard for two human lives is appalling.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

the executions may have been over the line.

Oh, do you think so?

[kcfanXIII]

Originally Posted by Brock

Oh, do you think so?

and it all could have been avoided if he were a better shot. if the shot to the face is the only wound, this is a non story, other than man protects house from intruders.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

and it all could have been avoided if he were a better shot. if the shot to the face is the only wound, this is a non story, other than man protects house from intruders.

Nobody has any idea how hard of a shot he had. Head shots are a lot harder than they look on a moving person.

[kcfanXIII]

Originally Posted by notorious

Nobody has any idea how hard of a shot he had. Head shots are a lot harder than they look on a moving person.

i get that. still, if the first shot was the kill shot, he's ok. it was the repeated shots that screwed him. still don't think he should really be charged with anything. a man has a right to protect his home. even if it had been just the one previous break in, with over 10,000 dollars worth of losses i'm sure he'd been steaming about it for a while, and he saw his chance to make sure he wasn't taken advantage of again.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

i get that. still, if the first shot was the kill shot, he's ok. it was the repeated shots that screwed him. .

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[unlurking]

Originally Posted by notorious

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He shot them when there legs/hips came into view as they were coming down the stairs. My guess is he didn't want to wait for a body/head shot in case they were armed (he was robbed of two guns a month prior, probably the same kids).

[Brock]

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

and it all could have been avoided if he were a better shot. if the shot to the face is the only wound, this is a non story, other than man protects house from intruders.

You mean man protects house from intruders and leaves their dead bodies in his basement overnight before calling police then brags about it to cops like a sociopathic killer.

[kcfanXIII]

Originally Posted by Brock

You mean man protects house from intruders and leaves their dead bodies in his basement overnight before calling police then brags about it to cops like a sociopathic killer.

hold on there buddy. go back and reread my post. the guy isn't totally innocent. he probably needs mental help, but i don't think he's a criminal for shooting the intruders.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

hold on there buddy. go back and reread my post. the guy isn't totally innocent. he probably needs mental help, but i don't think he's a criminal for shooting the intruders.

I'm disputing your assertion that if he were a better shot, this would be a non-story.

[kcfanXIII]

Originally Posted by Brock

I'm disputing your assertion that if he were a better shot, this would be a non-story.

if he is being charged with murder for fatally shooting already incapacitated victims, then yes, the fact he didn't kill with first shot makes a difference. he did in fact screw up by not reporting to police immediately. does he seem to have psychological issues, yes. however if he doesn't have to execute them (because his first shot was a kill shot) this is just a story of a mentally troubled individual protecting his home, and he isn't being charged with murder.

[blaise]

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

hold on there buddy. go back and reread my post. the guy isn't totally innocent. he probably needs mental help, but i don't think he's a criminal for shooting the intruders.

Yeah, he's a criminal for the second shot on the girl if nothing else. You can't go get a second gun, shoot her again to say you're "finishing" her and try and claim your life was in danger.

[unlurking]

Originally Posted by blaise

Yeah, he's a criminal for the second shot on the girl if nothing else. You can't go get a second gun, shoot her again to say you're "finishing" her and try and claim your life was in danger.

Don't forget the "third" shot. After switching to a 22 and shooting her multiple times in the chest, he moved the body next to the first. Then he realized she was still alive and went for the kill shot under the chin.

I'm all for blowing away the baddies, but this was just an execution.