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Old 09-20-2018, 11:17 AM  
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We’ve got to get Eric Murray off the field


Everybody pretty much did their job here in the back end except Murray. This defense looks so much worse because of him. The guy just doesn’t have a good read on coverage.

It sucks that we are pressed to play him bc we are forced too due to Sorenson and Berry being hurt.

FWIW Armani Watts played 16 defensive snaps in the Steelers game as opposed to 3 in LA. I think he’s coming up to speed.

Only a matter of time until Murray is on the bench and we look better.
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:54 AM   #31
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Look at what the rest of the defense is doing.

Is Nelson the only guy playing man in the secondary?

It looks to me like they all have some blame, but to put it all of Murray there is wrong.
It looks to me like Nelson noticed that his man would be running free if he released him into that zone and decided to try and cover Murray's mistake.
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:55 AM   #32
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I genuinely feel bad for Murray. The guy was a man corner in college, never played safety before and Dorsey drafts him to be a goddamn safety.

Quit drafting these guys who have to learn new positions.

IF YOU WANT A SAFETY DRAFT A GODDAMN SAFETY. ****
Way to go Carl!
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:57 AM   #33
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It looks to me like Nelson noticed that his man would be running free if he released him into that zone and decided to try and cover Murray's mistake.
That's not how you play zone effectively though and I doubt he can see that that fast.

Maybe it's supposed to be cover 2 and Murray just had the thing wrong. I dunno.

But from the movements they showed, Nelson and Parker played it wrong if it's cover 3.
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:57 AM   #34
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To be fair, Big Ben does that to players a lot more talented than Murray.

That was embarrassing though.
Not to that level. He swatted him away like a fly. Didn't even break out of a weak arm tackle.
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:58 AM   #35
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That's not how you play zone effectively.
Exactly what I've been saying in every "FIRE SUTTON" thread for 3 weeks!
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:59 AM   #36
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Exactly what I've been saying in every "FIRE SUTTON" thread for 3 weeks!
It's also why I was getting BBQ'd in the TC thread for saying TC and such mattered.

It's shit like this. You need time and reps together.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:02 PM   #37
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IF Murray is the robber/hole defender there, he's supposed to get under that route.

This is also why it's hard to say much about anyone here because we as fans have no clue who was supposed to do what.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:09 PM   #38
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Justin Reid also....

Murray and Nelson was basically straight up man CBs and now we have Murray trying to play safety and he just looks lost doing it, and Nelson looks horrid in zone also...

This team is going to have to move on from so many guys because they frankly don't have dudes to do what needs to be done.

But really you can't tell me that Eric Murray is their best option out there, his football IQ sucks balls because he is never where he is supposed to be.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:14 PM   #39
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IF Murray is the robber/hole defender there, he's supposed to get under that route.

This is also why it's hard to say much about anyone here because we as fans have no clue who was supposed to do what.
Well, maybe, but this is the moment the throw begins:



It's hard to imagine this is what the play is designed to look like.

No defense is really designed for the QB to be able to make a sandwich and take a nap before throwing, but still...
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:14 PM   #40
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Play Watts.

(I have no idea what the responsibilities were on that play, so I don't know how anyone can legitimately call out any single player.)

But, if we're going to get burned anyhow, give Watts the reps and game experience.

I also know full well that's a stupid thing to say since I have no clue how he's doing in practice. But I'm doubling down.

Play Watts. He's fast, nimble, and has instincts. Our dear friend Eric doesn't have that right now.

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Justin Reid also....

Murray and Nelson was basically straight up man CBs and now we have Murray trying to play safety and he just looks lost doing it, and Nelson looks horrid in zone also...

This team is going to have to move on from so many guys because they frankly don't have dudes to do what needs to be done.

But really you can't tell me that Eric Murray is their best option out there, his football IQ sucks balls because he is never where he is supposed to be.
Watts needs to at least be given a chance. Just because he's a rookie doesn't mean he's incompetent. He might not be 100% up to speed but Murray is and he still sucks absolute shit anyway.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:16 PM   #42
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(I have no idea what the responsibilities were on that play, so I don't know how anyone can legitimately call out any single player.)
Because we have context.

We have something like 110 passes defended on the season. Out of the guys that COULD have been out of position on that play (Parker, Murray, Hitchens, and Nelson) only one of them has repeatedly, nearly every play, been out of position.
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Well, maybe, but this is the moment the throw begins:



It's hard to imagine this is what the play is designed to look like.

No defense is really designed for the QB to be able to make a sandwich and take a nap before throwing, but still...
If its cover 3 and Murray is the SS, where is he supposed to be?
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Because we have context.

We have something like 110 passes defended on the season. Out of the guys that COULD have been out of position on that play (Parker, Murray, Hitchens, and Nelson) only one of them has repeatedly, nearly every play, been out of position.
That sounds like "hindsight" to me, dude. Maybe even close to 100%.

And remember this, my friend; legion are the high school science labs that have been blown to hell and gone due to extrapolation.

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Old 09-20-2018, 12:22 PM   #45
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If its cover 3 and Murray is the SS, where is he supposed to be?
I was agreeing with your comment that we don't know who's supposed to be doing what, I was just commenting that it's hard to believe that where he should be is right next to Nelson (or whomever that is) doing nothing, allowing James to pass behind him to an area no one is occupying. It looks for all the world like there was supposed to be an exchange there and Murray just flubbed it.
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