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Old 10-28-2014, 08:52 AM  
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Old 10-29-2014, 08:26 AM   #121
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They've been playing really well especially considering all of the injuries. But you have to give some credit to the offense as well. Absolutely dominated in TOP against Rivers and did the same against Manning. That's a huge contributor to those stats.
Still sticking with that 18th-20th best defense assessment?
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Old 10-29-2014, 08:27 AM   #122
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I defended Sutton. Caught shit for it.

Suck it, haters.
At the moment you appear to be right..... Good job hon.
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Old 10-29-2014, 08:46 AM   #123
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Still sticking with that 18th-20th best defense assessment?
Right now we're living on the fact that the defense hasn't had to see the field much and when it does, the stars in Houston and Hali have been delivering when they are needed. It's kind of like what Freeney and Mathis did for the Colts for years. They weren't a good all-around defense like the 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks last year, etc, they lived and died by how Freeney and Mathis played. It's the same situation here.

So if you're asking if I think the defense is part of the elite top 5? No, but Sutton and the rest of the defensive coaching group have done a fantastic job of getting the scrubs/below average starters around the guys who are actually damn good to play at a high enough level to not mess things up completely for the stars up front.

I think a better comparison would be to look at Carolina and the collapse from last year's top defense to the mess that they are this year. There isn't really enough talent overall for sustained success. I just hope that the collapse doesn't happen this year and the top tier starters remain healthy.
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Old 10-29-2014, 09:24 AM   #124
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Right now we're living on the fact that the defense hasn't had to see the field much and when it does, the stars in Houston and Hali have been delivering when they are needed. It's kind of like what Freeney and Mathis did for the Colts for years. They weren't a good all-around defense like the 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks last year, etc, they lived and died by how Freeney and Mathis played. It's the same situation here.

So if you're asking if I think the defense is part of the elite top 5? No, but Sutton and the rest of the defensive coaching group have done a fantastic job of getting the scrubs/below average starters around the guys who are actually damn good to play at a high enough level to not mess things up completely for the stars up front.

I think a better comparison would be to look at Carolina and the collapse from last year's top defense to the mess that they are this year. There isn't really enough talent overall for sustained success. I just hope that the collapse doesn't happen this year and the top tier starters remain healthy.
No. That's not what I asked.
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Old 10-29-2014, 12:22 PM   #125
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Right now we're living on the fact that the defense hasn't had to see the field much and when it does, the stars in Houston and Hali have been delivering when they are needed. It's kind of like what Freeney and Mathis did for the Colts for years. They weren't a good all-around defense like the 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks last year, etc, they lived and died by how Freeney and Mathis played. It's the same situation here.

So if you're asking if I think the defense is part of the elite top 5? No, but Sutton and the rest of the defensive coaching group have done a fantastic job of getting the scrubs/below average starters around the guys who are actually damn good to play at a high enough level to not mess things up completely for the stars up front.

I think a better comparison would be to look at Carolina and the collapse from last year's top defense to the mess that they are this year. There isn't really enough talent overall for sustained success. I just hope that the collapse doesn't happen this year and the top tier starters remain healthy.
Saying this D doesn't have talent is dumb as ****. Horrible post.
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Old 10-29-2014, 02:28 PM   #126
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Right now we're living on the fact that the defense hasn't had to see the field much and when it does, the stars in Houston and Hali have been delivering when they are needed. It's kind of like what Freeney and Mathis did for the Colts for years. They weren't a good all-around defense like the 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks last year, etc, they lived and died by how Freeney and Mathis played. It's the same situation here.

So if you're asking if I think the defense is part of the elite top 5? No, but Sutton and the rest of the defensive coaching group have done a fantastic job of getting the scrubs/below average starters around the guys who are actually damn good to play at a high enough level to not mess things up completely for the stars up front.

I think a better comparison would be to look at Carolina and the collapse from last year's top defense to the mess that they are this year. There isn't really enough talent overall for sustained success. I just hope that the collapse doesn't happen this year and the top tier starters remain healthy.

Yes, it would be a shame if we lost our all-pro safety and middle linebacker for example.
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Yes, it would be a shame if we lost our all-pro safety and middle linebacker for example.
The Safety at least will be back...
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Old 10-29-2014, 02:34 PM   #128
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Right now we're living on the fact that the defense hasn't had to see the field much and when it does, the stars in Houston and Hali have been delivering when they are needed. It's kind of like what Freeney and Mathis did for the Colts for years. They weren't a good all-around defense like the 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks last year, etc, they lived and died by how Freeney and Mathis played. It's the same situation here.

So if you're asking if I think the defense is part of the elite top 5? No, but Sutton and the rest of the defensive coaching group have done a fantastic job of getting the scrubs/below average starters around the guys who are actually damn good to play at a high enough level to not mess things up completely for the stars up front.

I think a better comparison would be to look at Carolina and the collapse from last year's top defense to the mess that they are this year. There isn't really enough talent overall for sustained success. I just hope that the collapse doesn't happen this year and the top tier starters remain healthy.
Carolina lost Greg Hardy. Couple that with the fact that the offense without Steve Smith has been atrocious, combined with the fact that they have no healthy running backs, and that their franchise left tackle retired leaving the team in shambles, is a really poor use of a team boss.

The Chiefs are playing more to the strengths of the team. Utilizing the running game on offense, controlling the clock, keeping the defense off the field. Its not a coincidence that the Chiefs are top 5 in time of possession, top 10 in turnover differential, and top 5 in defense. Those things all go hand in hand.

Their isn't a single star in the Chiefs secondary. Every player they are utilizing right now is a role player who plays his role to perfection.

That's the beautiful part of it. They replaced Marcus Cooper with some dude I had literally never heard of, replaced Eric Berry with RON PARKER, who looked like the worst defensive back in the history of football in preseason, and now they have one of the best defenses in the league despite losing 6 starters. That's INCREDIBLE.
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Old 10-29-2014, 05:05 PM   #129
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I dont care who you put in the secondary. If you can generate a consistent pass rush with only 4 guys, your going to win games. Same type of situation as last year.. lets hope the edge rushers can stay healthy the entire season.
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I dont care who you put in the secondary. If you can generate a consistent pass rush with only 4 guys, your going to win games. Same type of situation as last year.. lets hope the edge rushers can stay healthy the entire season.
Also holding the ball 2/3s of the game helps.
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The Safety at least will be back...
The Chiefs would be foolish to pay Eric Berry, a box safety that doesn't fit their scheme, in excess of $8 million per year. The Chiefs secondary, while pieced together, is playing its best football in decades.

Berry and DeVito should be goners. Hali needs to restructure. Houston needs to get paid and Bailey deserves $3 million per.

The salary cap was $130 million this year and has been projected to be at least $140 million next year but they can't keep everyone.
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The Chiefs would be foolish to pay Eric Berry, a box safety that doesn't fit their scheme, in excess of $8 million per year. The Chiefs secondary, while pieced together, is playing its best football in decades.

Berry and DeVito should be goners. Hali needs to restructure. Houston needs to get paid and Bailey deserves $3 million per.

The salary cap was $130 million this year and has been projected to be at least $140 million next year but they can't keep everyone.
Wow.

Berry released.

Strong moves after all the Chiefs have invested in Berry.

Tough decisions like this is why I'm glad Dorsey is in charge. He appears willing and able to make the huge decisions that this would be.

If you were Dorsey, what would you do about DJ?
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I'd let him rehab and give him a shot to make the roster. If he doesn't make it, it's a $5 million dollar cap savings.

Keep in mind that in addition to some of the guys previously mentioned in DeVito, Berry and Fasano, the Chiefs would save nearly $5 million by releasing A.J. Jenkins and Donnie Avery.

I think they could find better receivers by throwing two darts at a board while blindfolded.
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I find it fascinating how many people are so eager to dump an all pro because the defense is playing well, as if they couldn't be better with said all pro.
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