Tom Brady; least clutch QB in NFL history?

[Hootie]

(Slow day at work for me, guys):

Tom Brady:

2005: Gets crushed by Jake Plummer and the Denver Broncos. Plays HORRENDOUSLY. Embarrassingly bad.

2006: Blows an 18 point lead to Peyton Manning in the AFCCG. Plays horrendously, and ends the game in Indy territory throwing a game ending INT to Marlon Jackson. Great clutch play.

2007: 18-1. Scores 14 points in the Super Bowl in a game they are favored to win by 13.5. Also, in the AFCCG against the Chargers, he posted a QB rating of 18 and threw 3 INT's. Very clutch, I know.

2008: KNEE CRUSHER; Cassel wins 11 games as starting QB.

2009: Gets OBLITERATED by Joe Flacco and the Ravens. Loses the game single-handedly in the 1st quarter and posts a WHOPPING QBR OF 4.2. Not a typo. FOUR POINT TWO. FOUR POINT TWO. In reference, Peyton posted a 24.4 last year against Seattle in the Super Bowl. So picture how bad that performance was, and multiply it by about 25.

2010: Lost @ home to MARK SANCHEZ AND THE JETS. But don't worry guys, Tom Brady doubled his QBR in this one and posted a respectable 8.7 EIGHT POINT SEVEN.

2011: Got to the Super Bowl by beating Tim Tebow, playing HORRENDOUSLY against the Ravens (again) in the Lee Evans game, and then overthrowing Welker to lose another Super Bowl. Clutch.

2012: Got obliterated by Joe Flacco and the Ravens despite being favored by 7. He posted a respectable 40 QBR, though, and only lost by 15 ... despite Peyton beating the team the week before only to be Rahim Moore'd. Great clutch play.

2013: Beat Andrew Luck despite throwing 0 TD's. Lost to Peyton Manning, while playing another mediocre game. 1 TD. Very clutch, Mr. Brady!

So, in short, the biggest playoff choking QB in the NFL right now is Tom Brady. In all of those aforementioned choke jobs, he was favored to lose TWICE, both to Peyton Manning (both losses).

Any more myths you want be to bust?

4.2 QBR and 8.7 QBR is Rex Grossman bad, in case anyone wanted a reference point.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

And for reference....Not even close....
That's called clutch!!!

Where is Alex Smith? /Rigged

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I hope manning is done. Brady gets no excuses if they lose. None. #1 seed.

But this thread has been excellent. It shows how uncomfortable this board is looking at 10 years of Brady playoff failure and all anyone can do is point to things that happened in 2001, 2002 and 2004 while totally forgetting about Spygate. Amazing. 10 years of playoff choking swept under the rug.

Nobody on this board except you and the two Cheats fans gives a shit about Brady. Hell, I'm sure most people agree with me that he's a coddled crybaby bitch.

That being said, the only thing this thread demonstrates is your utter desperation to make excuses for Fivehead.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Manning's defense did not carry him to a championship.

3 touchdowns to 7 interceptions... yeah, sure, the pick machine TOTALLY carried them to a title.

[lcarus]

He's had his failures. But least clutch QB in history? Come on now.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

3 touchdowns to 7 interceptions... yeah, sure, the pick machine TOTALLY carried them to a title.

How did he not?

He led them back from 18 down to win the AFCCG against Tom "clutch" Brady.

He led them back from 10 down in the Super Bowl and his offense controlled the ball for 39 minutes against a team who had the best defense in the NFL that year. A defense SO good, they got Rex Grossman to the Super Bowl.

Anything else?

By that standard, why does Tom Brady get credit for his 1st Super Bowl. 1 TD the entire postseason? His backup winning the AFCCG? His defense holding "the greatest show on turf" to 17 points?

SAY IT WITH ME

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[Hootie]

Eric Decker with Peyton Manning : 1288 / 11
Eric Decker w/o: 741 / 4

Yeah, this whole "more with less" thing is bullshit. Great QB's make everyone around them better. That applies to Peyton. That applies to Tom.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Eric Decker with Peyton Manning : 1288 / 11
Eric Decker w/o: 741 / 4

Yeah, this whole "more with less" thing is bullshit. Great QB's make everyone around them better. That applies to Peyton. That applies to Tom.

Did he also make wayne and harrison look better than they really were?

[Hootie]

Yes. He absolutely, 100% did. 100%. I've used the Marvin Harrison / Eddie Kennison example for YEARS.

He's also making Emmanuel Sanders, an amazing talent, flourish.

He also turned DT from JAG to a perennial all-pro.

Was Wes Welker great before Tom Brady? Was Julian Edelman great before Tom Brady?

Just stop.

It's ridiculous that you think Peyton Manning doesn't make the players around him better.

So for Peyton, all of his players are just all-pros with or without him ... as clearly referenced with how great DT and Decker were with Orton and Tebow.

But Tom? His players just suck and hold him back.

What ****ing bullshit.

[Hootie]

Randy Moss went from washed up dipshit in Oakland who only warranted a 4th round pick to ALL-TIME GREATEST SEASON ever with Tom Brady. And then, after Tom Brady, he couldn't even get on the field with Minnesota or Tennessee.

Great QB's, like Brady and Manning, make everyone around them better. It doesn't just apply to Peyton Manning.

It's so tiring watching people try and say Manning has been surrounded with better talent his entire career. It's FALSE. It's idiot babble.

[Just Passin' By]

I see Hootie's completely lost it on the QB thing...

[Hootie]

you watch guys like Decker flounder without Manning but then look GREAT with Manning but it just gets immediately discounted

Demaryius Thomas was a nobody until Peyton Manning entered the scene. He was Jon Baldwin.

Has no one ever sat there and thought, "gee, it's a lot easier to play wide receiver when the QB puts the ball where it needs to be 9 times out of 10?"

There is a reason why guys like Deion Branch were great with Brady and terrible everywhere else.

Because Tom and Peyton make everyone around them better.

But on ChiefsPlanet.com, Peyton just has all-pros all around him (just natural all-pros, they made Peyton look so much better) and Tom has waiver wire fodder around him that just hold him back.

let me say it again

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[Hootie]

No, I make actual points and back up my thoughts with factual evidence.

You guys just attack me and deliver no reason to back up your assertations.

I'm used to it, though. I'll keep making great points and they will keep being unanswered. Read the OP again, and get back to me. Make it only about Tom, not about Peyton.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Yes. He absolutely, 100% did. 100%. I've used the Marvin Harrison / Eddie Kennison example for YEARS.

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Well, with reasonable beliefs such as this, I don't understand why you're the object of nearly constant ridicule.

[Brock]

I for one am astonished Eric Decker didn't set the world on fire with Geno Smith.

[Just Passin' By]

Decker has 64 catches in 14 games, which puts him on pace for 82 on 117 targets over the course of 16 games. He had 85 catches on 122 targets and 87 catches on 136 targets with Manning, so that projected 3-5 reception difference, on 5-19 more targets, really shows the Manning effect.