Belichick is the Anti Herm

**Dave Lane** · 11-20-2007, 08:10 AM

Up by 28 he went for it twice on 4th down. He said "I really in that situation don't want to kick a field goal".

Not sure if there are any differences in results

but sometimes not playing to lose does pay off it appears.

Dave

Mecca · 11-20-2007, 08:40 AM

Belichick is all about being the best and rubbing it in your face at how good they are...

Before Herm had coached 1 game here all he did was talk about how wrong it was of Vermiel to run up the score on Cincy.

Pushead2 · 11-20-2007, 08:42 AM

**** herm enough said.

FloridaMan88 · 11-20-2007, 08:44 AM

The Belichick approach has led to 3 Super Bowl wins and one of the most explosive offenses in NFL history.

The Herm approach has led to a career sub-.500 record and bringing an offense that was ranked #1 in the NFL just 2 seasons ago down to one of the worst offenses in the league.

Zouk · 11-20-2007, 08:48 AM

Did he play that way in Cleveland without Brady?

Mecca · 11-20-2007, 08:53 AM

They built that Pats team with smart savvy moves....something the Chiefs front office still hasn't figured out......

You think the Pats would have given LJ that contract...I think we all know what the answer is.

FloridaMan88 · 11-20-2007, 08:58 AM

This is why the Clark Hunt needs to do whatever it takes to bring Scott Pioli to KC.

I know Pioli has already rejected other offers that would seem to make more sense for him to move on to, but maybe the Chiefs can put together the ultimate golden carrot to lure him to KC (a big $$$$$ contract, complete control of the franchise, a lifetime supply of free Arthur Bryant's BBQ, etc).

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-20-2007, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

This is why the Clark Hunt needs to do whatever it takes to bring Scott Pioli to KC.

I know Pioli has already rejected other offers that would seem to make more sense for him to move on to, but maybe the Chiefs can put together the ultimate golden carrot to lure him to KC (a big $$$$$ contract, complete control of the franchise, a lifetime supply of free Arthur Bryant's BBQ, etc).

Perhaps Pioli really isn't the "genius" behind that franchise, and that's why he doesn't want to leave.

**DaKCMan AP** · 11-20-2007, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Up by 28 he went for it twice on 4th down. He said "I really in that situation don't want to kick a field goal".

Not sure if there are any differences in results

but sometimes not playing to lose does pay off it appears.

Dave

Finish his quote. He said he felt that kicking field goals is just tacking on points at that point. He said going for it on 4th down gave the other team a chance to stop them from scoring.

What a benevolent fellow.

**DaKCMan AP** · 11-20-2007, 09:12 AM

People in KC wont even give Herm a chance.

Belicheck in his first 3 years in NE went 5-11, 11-5 and 9-7.

In year 2 when he "discovered" Tom Brady after Bledsoe went down they started 0-2. That year they ranked 19th in total offense and 24th in total defense.

If we hired Belicheck after what he did in Cleveland you all would be damning him just the same.

FringeNC · 11-20-2007, 10:19 AM

Belichick is the anti-Herm because he actually plays the percentages -- such as going for it on 4th and short. Herm is so risk-averse he has no chance playing against guys like Belichick, who, you know, actually understand things like expected value.

Herm is a old-school zealot -- the evidence be damned. He's going to play not-to-lose no matter what.

**DaKCMan AP** · 11-20-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Belichick is the anti-Herm because he actually plays the percentages -- such as going for it on 4th and short. Herm is so risk-averse he has no chance playing against guys like Belichick, who, you know, actually understand things like expected value.

Herm is a old-school zealot -- the evidence be damned. He's going to play not-to-lose no matter what.

It's a lot easier to go for it on 4th and short when you have a 28 point lead. I'd be interested to see if Belicheck's decision making differs when the score is close.

**Bowser** · 11-20-2007, 10:22 AM

ARENA BALL!

FringeNC · 11-20-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

It's a lot easier to go for it on 4th and short when you have a 28 point lead. I'd be interested to see if Belicheck's decision making differs when the score is close.

Belichick has ALWAYS done that. He'll go for it on 4th down in his own territory in a tie-game.

Reerun_KC · 11-20-2007, 05:29 PM

Belicheck = god

Herm = satan

Besides, Belicheck said in a pregame conference that the war is already won before the battle is even fought when you play Herm..

It is easier for Herm to play his style and lose, then it is to actually play NFL football and try to win.

Herm is lazy and doesnt want to put the effort into winning.. It takes way to much effort and foresight. Herm has neither and it shows up on game days.

11-20-2007, 08:10 AM
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11-20-2007, 08:40 AM	#2
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11-20-2007, 08:44 AM	#4
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $3142906	The Belichick approach has led to 3 Super Bowl wins and one of the most explosive offenses in NFL history. The Herm approach has led to a career sub-.500 record and bringing an offense that was ranked #1 in the NFL just 2 seasons ago down to one of the worst offenses in the league.
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11-20-2007, 08:48 AM	#5
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11-20-2007, 08:53 AM	#6
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2597050	They built that Pats team with smart savvy moves....something the Chiefs front office still hasn't figured out...... You think the Pats would have given LJ that contract...I think we all know what the answer is.
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11-20-2007, 08:58 AM	#7
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $3142906	This is why the Clark Hunt needs to do whatever it takes to bring Scott Pioli to KC. I know Pioli has already rejected other offers that would seem to make more sense for him to move on to, but maybe the Chiefs can put together the ultimate golden carrot to lure him to KC (a big $$$$$ contract, complete control of the franchise, a lifetime supply of free Arthur Bryant's BBQ, etc).
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DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $6734952	People in KC wont even give Herm a chance. Belicheck in his first 3 years in NE went 5-11, 11-5 and 9-7. In year 2 when he "discovered" Tom Brady after Bledsoe went down they started 0-2. That year they ranked 19th in total offense and 24th in total defense. If we hired Belicheck after what he did in Cleveland you all would be damning him just the same. __________________
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11-20-2007, 10:19 AM	#11
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $1776014	Belichick is the anti-Herm because he actually plays the percentages -- such as going for it on 4th and short. Herm is so risk-averse he has no chance playing against guys like Belichick, who, you know, actually understand things like expected value. Herm is a old-school zealot -- the evidence be damned. He's going to play not-to-lose no matter what.
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11-20-2007, 10:22 AM	#13
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11-20-2007, 05:29 PM	#15
Reerun_KC Rock Chalk Jayhawks! KU!!! Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $8301160	Belicheck = god Herm = satan Besides, Belicheck said in a pregame conference that the war is already won before the battle is even fought when you play Herm.. It is easier for Herm to play his style and lose, then it is to actually play NFL football and try to win. Herm is lazy and doesnt want to put the effort into winning.. It takes way to much effort and foresight. Herm has neither and it shows up on game days.
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