Chiefs got better times ahead in the next 3 seasons???

[Chief Roundup]

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...-three-seasons


In their three seasons under coach Andy Reid, the Kansas City Chiefs haven’t won a division title, but they’ve been an annual playoff contender, reaching the postseason twice as a wild-card entrant. They haven’t been able to advance in the postseason beyond the divisional round.

This interesting post suggests that for the foreseeable future, the next three seasons, the Chiefs are headed for more of the same.

ESPN ranked the prospects for each of the NFL’s 32 teams over the 2016, 2017 and 2018 seasons based on several factors, including the quality of the overall roster, quarterback, coaching, the draft, and the front office. The Chiefs are a respectable 11th, their strength according to this ranking being Reid’s coaching ability.

Eleventh doesn’t sound bad, but it doesn’t represent an improvement over what the Chiefs have been over the past three seasons. In the future rankings, the Chiefs are second in the AFC West behind the No. 9 Denver Broncos and sixth overall in the AFC.

That should sound familiar. The Chiefs have finished second to the Broncos in their division in each of Reid’s three seasons. They’ve been the fifth seed in the playoffs in each of their two postseason appearances.

Those Chiefs fans with long memories may not think of this pattern as being stuck in a rut. The Chiefs, after all, won no more than four games in four of the six seasons previous to Reid’s arrival, so these are prosperous times for Kansas City’s NFL team, relatively speaking.

Ultimately, though, they haven’t been fulfilling. And if the Chiefs follow up in the next three seasons with more of the same, even the most patient of their fans might come to think Kansas City was definitely stuck in a rut with Andy Reid as the head coach.

[kcxiv]

should have put adam tiecher in the title so i know not to click it and read it. Didnt know it was him until after a read an article about nothing really.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

This got me thinking...

Vegas has the line for KC wins around 8.5-9.

I'd love to see data regarding how close Vegas predictions pre-season are to the actual result.

Vegas lines mean almost nothing in terms of real predictions.

They are setting a betting line design to get people to bet and so the house will win the %.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

This got me thinking...

Vegas has the line for KC wins around 8.5-9.

I'd love to see data regarding how close Vegas predictions pre-season are to the actual result.

Pretty sure it was off by 1.5 - 2 on the over last year, push or .5 above the over the year before that, 3.5 - 4 above the over the year before that and something like 5.5 below the under the year before that.

That's entirely guessing from vague memory.

EDIT: Oddshark listed '15 Chiefs at 8.5 on the O/U, a Cowboys blog cited Bovada's KC at 8.0 in Sept. '14 and 7.5 for Sept.'13

EDIT2: BusinessInsider quoted the '12 Chiefs at 8.0 in May.

[Hammock Parties]

Super Bowl or bust.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Smellway

Super Bowl or bust.

That's incredibly optimistic.

Really, anything more than counting on 10 wins is optimistic. Harder schedule, lots of questions on defense and the receiving game is a two man show with Maclin and Kelce which isn't any different than last year.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

That's incredibly optimistic.

Really, anything more than counting on 10 wins is optimistic. Harder schedule, lots of questions on defense and the receiving game is a two man show with Maclin and Kelce which isn't any different than last year.

No. Incredibly optimistic would be to say "Maybe one day Discuss will actually get a ****ing clue."

[RunKC]

2/3 at home to start the season
Bye week before going to Oakland
Back-to-back road games only once in consecutive weeks
3 of the last 4 games at home

That's a damn favorable schedule for us if I've ever seen one

[Halfcan]

If Andy can't get it done in the next 3 years with this talented team-its time for him to retire. Same goes for Alex!

[Bump]

I'm pretty optimistic this year. The question marks are at CB and WR2, someone has to step up big time. But I love this coaching staff, we haven't had a losing season yet with them and one of the things Superbowl teams do is that they make the playoffs just about every single season and the odds go up the more chances they get at it, if that makes any sense. We are consistently winning, Alex Smith has turned out to be a very solid QB for us and that new RT should make a big difference for our line. Plus this is Poe's contract year so he's gonna want to step it up more and some of the rookies are exciting.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

That's incredibly optimistic.

Really, anything more than counting on 10 wins is optimistic. Harder schedule, lots of questions on defense and the receiving game is a two man show with Maclin and Kelce which isn't any different than last year.

The defense is worrisome

[O.city]

If Houston isn't 100 percent, Hali continues his downside we could have alot of problems rushing the passer. Paired with a young inexperienced secondary, thay could get ugly

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

If Houston isn't 100 percent, Hali continues his downside we could have alot of problems rushing the passer. Paired with a young inexperienced secondary, thay could get ugly

What if Dee Ford takes the next step? What if Gaines stays healthy and picks up where he left off as an ascending player? What if Nelson finally gives us stability at the nickel spot? What if Chris Jones gives us another interior pass rusher? What is Berry and Poe have career years in their contract seasons? What if Justin March gives us another ILB that can cover next to DJ?

If you're going to play the "if" game, you have to consider everything.

You're completely overrating the "young inexperienced secondary" thing. No rookies will likely even be starting, and besides this is a team that's had rookie/young corners play well in the past (Peters, Gaines, Cooper). Not to mention our secondary coaching is phenomenal.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

What if Dee Ford takes the next step? What if Gaines stays healthy and picks up where he left off as an ascending player? What if Nelson finally gives us stability at the nickel spot? What if Chris Jones gives us another interior pass rusher? What is Berry and Poe have career years in their contract seasons? What if Justin March gives us another ILB that can cover next to DJ?

If you're going to play the "if" game, you have to consider everything.

You're completely overrating the "young inexperienced secondary" thing. No rookies will likely even be starting, and besides this is a team that's had rookie/young corners play well in the past (Peters, Gaines, Cooper). Not to mention our secondary coaching is phenomenal.

They're going to be starting a nickel corner who's taken 20 snaps total in his career, a 3rd year corner who's missed 50 percent of his career, and a sophomore corner in peters.

That's not counting the rookies and that's not much experience.

I'd say it's pretty much a given that Hali Co to use to decline. Age stops for no one. Maybe he pushes back a year, but the defense has alot of question marks however we want to spin it.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

They're going to be starting a nickel corner who's taken 20 snaps total in his career, a 3rd year corner who's missed 50 percent of his career, and a sophomore corner in peters.

That's not counting the rookies and that's not much experience.

I'd say it's pretty much a given that Hali Co to use to decline. Age stops for no one. Maybe he pushes back a year, but the defense has alot of question marks however we want to spin it.

Again, Gaines and Peters have both played extremely well in the past, I do not understand why inexperience would be a concern at this point. They're as experienced as they've ever ****ing been. It's absurd.

Nelson might've not gotten the real game snaps, but he got a ton of work with the scout team. It's not like he was just sitting on he sidelines not working on his craft. He's been working and being coached for a year.

It is not that tough mentally to play corner in this defense, as Reid and Al have said themselves. We play more man coverage than anybody in the NFL. In Nelson's case it was more about learning a new position. That's why he was essentially redshirted, and has come back with a vengeance so far in mini camp/OTA's.

Also, it is just as likely that whatever we lose in Hali we gain in Ford as he continues his development. Even if Hali continues to decline, being healthy early on in this season should be enough to keep him effective while/if we are waiting for Houston to return.

It's also been argued at nauseam, but it's clearly more likely than not that we get Houston back somewhere in first few weeks. Recent history suggest he could just as easily be out there week 1.

[staylor26]

Sean Smith is the only good veteran corner this teams had in three years. I'll take talent over experience all day.

Peters, Gaines, Nelson, Russell, and White are the most talented group of corners we've had in quite some time. No Dunta Robinson, Jamell Flemming, Marcus Cooper, or Chris Owens here. They might get beat and have a mental lapse here and there, but they will never be completely overmatched like those guys. Not with Al Harris and Emmit Thomas coaching them up.