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Old 11-13-2012, 09:11 PM   #1
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Vermiel was awful. How can a HC let that pile of shit he called a 'defense' go for 5 seasons?
You're ****ing stupid if you think that Todd Haley's tenure in Kansas Coty was more successful AND that he's had a better head coaching than Dick Vermeil.

****ing STUPID.

And NO ONE has been more critical of Vermeil's Chiefs than me.

NO ONE.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:29 PM   #2
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You're ****ing stupid if you think that Todd Haley's tenure in Kansas Coty was more successful AND that he's had a better head coaching than Dick Vermeil.

****ing STUPID.

And NO ONE has been more critical of Vermeil's Chiefs than me.

NO ONE.
Vermeil had Green an all-world line, Priest Holmes, and Tony Gonzalez.

Haley had Matt Cassel.

Seems legit.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:33 PM   #3
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Vermeil had Green an all-world line, Priest Holmes, and Tony Gonzalez.

Haley had Matt Cassel.

Seems legit.
Vermeil had Green because he wanted him.

The Chiefs also added Holmes when DV was here.

Kennison, Dante Hall, Green, and Holmes all did what before DV? After DV?

T0dd added who and then made them players?

Anyone?...
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:43 PM   #4
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Vermeil had Green because he wanted him.

The Chiefs also added Holmes when DV was here.

Kennison, Dante Hall, Green, and Holmes all did what before DV? After DV?

T0dd added who and then made them players?

Anyone?...
To be fair, it is doubtful Todd was allowed to make significant personnel moves that would enhance the roster.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:53 PM   #5
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To be fair, it is doubtful Todd was allowed to make significant personnel moves that would enhance the roster.
So we're just going by coaching?

Ok: horrible game day coach. His best motivational tool was benching his best players. He fired two successful OC's to coach horrible offenses himself.

What positives are you looking at that would make you want to retain him?...
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:00 PM   #6
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So we're just going by coaching?

Ok: horrible game day coach. His best motivational tool was benching his best players. He fired two successful OC's to coach horrible offenses himself.

What positives are you looking at that would make you want to retain him?...
Totally agree. I had a longer post but it got deleted on accident
IMO, here are some things we can all agree on.

1. Pioli limited Todd and was exceptionally detrimental to his possible success as a HC
2. Todd was not a good gameday coach
3. Todd did not work well with others (whether these are coaches forced upon him or not)
4. Todd did instill good conditioning and for several players a good level of accountability
5. Todd didn't do anything during his coaching tenure here to show he was an elite leader.

I think that Todd got an unfair shake but don't mistake me for thinking he was a prodigy. He was young however and I wonder how it could have turned out with a GM he could work with. He did several things that were baffling.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:57 PM   #7
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Vermeil had Green because he wanted him.

The Chiefs also added Holmes when DV was here.

Kennison, Dante Hall, Green, and Holmes all did what before DV? After DV?

T0dd added who and then made them players?

Anyone?...
You're aware of who our GM was, right?
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:59 PM   #8
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You're aware of who our GM was, right?
Your point?...
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:02 PM   #9
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Your point?...
LOL Okay
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LOL Okay
Well, hell then.

Romeo ain't all that bad.

It's just the man holding him down...
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You're aware of who our GM was, right?
That should say IS not WAS.
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:09 PM   #12
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That should say IS not WAS.
That doesn't excuse Haley from yelling at his players and coaches on the sidelines, nor does it excuse him from playing Larry Johnson for 10 games before Jamaal Charles, nor does it excuse him from starting Mike Goff over Wade Smith, nor does it excuse him from trying fake punts inside his own 20 yard line nor does it excuse him from being a ****.

Need I go on? I can. I remember all of his stupid shit like it was yesterday.

Clearly, most of you people have not.
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That doesn't excuse Haley from yelling at his players and coaches on the sidelines, nor does it excuse him from playing Larry Johnson for 10 games before Jamaal Charles, nor does it excuse him from starting Mike Goff over Wade Smith, nor does it excuse him from trying fake punts inside his own 20 yard line nor does it excuse him from being a ****.

Need I go on? I can. I remember all of his stupid shit like it was yesterday.

Clearly, most of you people have not.
No, I agree that that shit was ****ing dumb.
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:15 PM   #14
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That doesn't excuse Haley from yelling at his players and coaches on the sidelines, nor does it excuse him from playing Larry Johnson for 10 games before Jamaal Charles, nor does it excuse him from starting Mike Goff over Wade Smith, nor does it excuse him from trying fake punts inside his own 20 yard line nor does it excuse him from being a ****.

Need I go on? I can. I remember all of his stupid shit like it was yesterday.

Clearly, most of you people have not.
I can't accurately judge anything under Pioli. I don't know how anyone could do their job adequately with that ****stick around.

We thought last seasons OL was shit until Orton was under center.
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