Chiefs Geno Smith vs Alex Smith - It's on. - Page 426

Hammock Parties · 02:56 AM

It's on now. Geno Smith is probably going to be starting for the Jets this season.

Alex Smith will be the Chiefs QB for the forseeable future. If he's a success, we'll probably get five good years out of him.

So who's gonna win more NFL games over that time period?

Put your ten pounders on the table and make a vote

Alex: 11 wins
Geno: 8 wins

ShowtimeSBMVP · 01-01-2014, 07:29 PM

Geno Fan club is funny.

John Idzik- The First year GM that draft Geno own words.

At one point in the 35-minute news conference, Idzik referred to Smith as "a quarterback on our roster." This came one day after Smith received strong support from teammates.

"We're all excited about having Geno as part of the New York Jets," Idzik said, "but we will always look to improve any position."

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...mith-improving

If Geno was as good as some make him here. John Doesn't say that.

I love This

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Smart move to not tip your hand before the draft.

You act like they have a top 10 pick. They pick at 18 nothing to hide.

Snapplez · 01-01-2014, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Geno Fan club is funny.

John Idzik- The First year GM that draft Geno own words.

At one point in the 35-minute news conference, Idzik referred to Smith as "a quarterback on our roster." This came one day after Smith received strong support from teammates.

"We're all excited about having Geno as part of the New York Jets," Idzik said, "but we will always look to improve any position."

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...mith-improving

If Geno was as good as some make him here. John Doesn't say that.

I love This

You act like they have a top 10 pick. They pick number 18 nothing to hide.

We'll be picking late too. Might as well go ahead and tell everyone who we want. Nothin to hide amirite?

BigCatDaddy · 01-01-2014, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Geno Fan club is funny.

John Idzik- The First year GM that draft Geno own words.

At one point in the 35-minute news conference, Idzik referred to Smith as "a quarterback on our roster." This came one day after Smith received strong support from teammates.

"We're all excited about having Geno as part of the New York Jets," Idzik said, "but we will always look to improve any position."

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...mith-improving

If Geno was as good as some make him here. John Doesn't say that.

I love This

You act like they have a top 10 pick. They pick number 18 nothing to hide.

Do you know how I know you are dumbass?

ViperVisor · 01-01-2014, 08:20 PM

ESPN QBR tries and does some smart things. But end result can be F'd up.

Carson Palmer
Christian Ponder
Alex Smith

How does Smith end up 3rd slightly below those 2?

POSITIVES for both over Smith
-Better %
-Better Yards Per

Palmer and Smith about the same in TD throws and Sacks and fumbles.

Ponder and Smith about the same in running.

Ponder worse TD throws and fumbles and Sacks.

Palmer WAY worse at running. 3 yards all year.

Palmer and Ponder WAY worse at throwing INT 2.7x more than Smith.

The most easy and obvious adjustment would be for WR Drops.
The difference from best to worst ends up in almost 4 less points in completion %.

Drops are the only reason Palmer and Ponder are ahead of Smith in completion %. KC was bottom 5 while AZ and MIN were top 5.

It just doesn't make sense to not penalize hard for INTs. It was still a problem with the original Passer Rating.

W-L records Last 3 seasons top 14 guys in keeping INT% low.
124-62
121-82
128-69

That Win% is 10.2 Wins per season rate.

How QBs that were 5th from the bottom at giving the ball away were slightly better than 1 who was 3rd from the top seems crazy to me.

mschiefs1984 · 01-01-2014, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Geno Fan club is funny.

John Idzik- The First year GM that draft Geno own words.

At one point in the 35-minute news conference, Idzik referred to Smith as "a quarterback on our roster." This came one day after Smith received strong support from teammates.

"We're all excited about having Geno as part of the New York Jets," Idzik said, "but we will always look to improve any position."

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...mith-improving

If Geno was as good as some make him here. John Doesn't say that.

I love This

You act like they have a top 10 pick. They pick at 18 nothing to hide.

But Geno won 8 games who else can do that in his rookie year? It's not like Mark Sanchez did it or anything in one LESS start

BigCatDaddy · 01-01-2014, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mschiefs1984

But Geno won 8 games who else can do that in his rookie year? It's not like Mark Sanchez did it or anything in one LESS start

Mark 4x as many playoff wins as Smiff. Debating 101. Don't use an example that also discredits your argument.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 01-01-2014, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Mark 4x as many playoff wins as Smiff. Debating 101. Don't use an example that also discredits your argument.

Jets D won 4x more games then Smith. That's right you only use Great D line for Smith.

mschiefs1984 · 01-01-2014, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Mark 4x as many playoff wins as Smiff. Debating 101. Don't use an example that also discredits your argument.

Do you even know what my argument is in regards to Alex?

BigCatDaddy · 01-01-2014, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mschiefs1984

Do you even know what my argument is in regards to Alex?

No and I've seen enough of your post to assume whatever you position you take is likely wrong.

BigCatDaddy · 01-01-2014, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Jets D won 4x more games then Smith. That's right you only use Great D line for Smith.

Hey guise! We only have the 18th pick so let's go ahead and state who we want!

**MahiMike** · 01-01-2014, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

Really hard not to like Geno Smith.

No, not really.

**New World Order** · 01-01-2014, 09:43 PM

I was a Geno supporter but quickly realized how big of a moron he is. Seriously, has anyone seen a qb run out of the back of the end zone and then try to go behind the back with the football only to fumble and the play turns into a touchdown?

His TD/INT ratio and pocket awareness are god awful.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-01-2014, 10:25 PM

Alex may have a bigger peen after all

**BossChief** · 01-01-2014, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Jets D won 4x more games then Smith. That's right you only use Great D line for Smith.

That's bull. As I showed earlier, he had the second highest QBR of anyone during the last 4 games...you can't say he didn't play a role in the wins. He was AFC player of the week when they beat NE.

The kid needs to work at becoming consistent, other than that...he has shown to have the ability to win games in this league...even with piss poor talent around him on offense.

OrtonsPiercedTaint · 01-01-2014, 10:41 PM

Geno should be plenty cheap enough to cut or keep.

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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4710478	Geno Smith vs Alex Smith - It's on. It's on now. Geno Smith is probably going to be starting for the Jets this season. Alex Smith will be the Chiefs QB for the forseeable future. If he's a success, we'll probably get five good years out of him. So who's gonna win more NFL games over that time period? Put your ten pounders on the table and make a vote Alex: 11 wins Geno: 8 wins Last edited by Hammock Parties; 12-30-2013 at 02:56 AM..
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ViperVisor Veteran Join Date: Mar 2013 Casino cash: $10019798	ESPN QBR tries and does some smart things. But end result can be F'd up. Carson Palmer Christian Ponder Alex Smith How does Smith end up 3rd slightly below those 2? POSITIVES for both over Smith -Better % -Better Yards Per Palmer and Smith about the same in TD throws and Sacks and fumbles. Ponder and Smith about the same in running. Ponder worse TD throws and fumbles and Sacks. Palmer WAY worse at running. 3 yards all year. Palmer and Ponder WAY worse at throwing INT 2.7x more than Smith. The most easy and obvious adjustment would be for WR Drops. The difference from best to worst ends up in almost 4 less points in completion %. Drops are the only reason Palmer and Ponder are ahead of Smith in completion %. KC was bottom 5 while AZ and MIN were top 5. It just doesn't make sense to not penalize hard for INTs. It was still a problem with the original Passer Rating. W-L records Last 3 seasons top 14 guys in keeping INT% low. 124-62 121-82 128-69 That Win% is 10.2 Wins per season rate. How QBs that were 5th from the bottom at giving the ball away were slightly better than 1 who was 3rd from the top seems crazy to me.
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New World Order Choco Favre Join Date: Jul 2012 Casino cash: $2674765	I was a Geno supporter but quickly realized how big of a moron he is. Seriously, has anyone seen a qb run out of the back of the end zone and then try to go behind the back with the football only to fumble and the play turns into a touchdown? His TD/INT ratio and pocket awareness are god awful.
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Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $3978880	Alex may have a bigger peen after all
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