Alex Smith is a damn good QB

[TLO]

Just look at some of the numbers around the league today. We're lucky to have him as our QB.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

I won't argue the point of developing a QB; it's the right thing to do. But I will say that I don't understand how the regular season is so easily dismissed by you. You have to do well in the regular season to win or lose in the playoffs, so to pass off the regular season like we are some team that regularly competes and loses in the playoffs seems odd to me.

Not to mention, if we make the playoffs this year, that would be the first time we've gone to consecutive playoffs since when? To make the playoffs with our division, in the AFC, with a division champ's schedule, against the NFC West and the AFC East would be quite a feat.

My own jadedness, I guess... but, the NFL just seems so watered down to me. A few absolutely terrible teams, maybe a handful of legit contenders, and a bunch of teams that could go 5-11 or 10-6. I read a lot about the toughness of every game, etc; but to me it's just too much parity (and I say that in comparison to a league like the NHL, where I think the level of parity is perfect).

People like it, and I'm not here to tell them they shouldn't like it or whatever... I just don't get anything out of watching the Chiefs/Jets or Chiefs/Rams. I watched the afternoon games a couple of weeks ago, including the Chiefs/Rams, and there was some terrible football.... IMO, great football ranks up there with any other sporting event, but average NFL football falls down the list a ways.

so to pass off the regular season like we are some team that regularly competes and loses in the playoffs seems odd to me.

So, maybe it's the beer or the long week or something.... but, am I reading that right? Because, you know they haven't won a playoff game in like 63 years, right? (might be off by ~4 decades, but still...)

[Tacoman]

Originally Posted by 505 Chief

It's like a long daisy chain of Ron Jeremies' rubbing their sweaty balls in your face.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

My own jadedness, I guess... but, the NFL just seems so watered down to me. A few absolutely terrible teams, maybe a handful of legit contenders, and a bunch of teams that could go 5-11 or 10-6. I read a lot about the toughness of every game, etc; but to me it's just too much parity (and I say that in comparison to a league like the NHL, where I think the level of parity is perfect).

People like it, and I'm not here to tell them they shouldn't like it or whatever... I just don't get anything out of watching the Chiefs/Jets or Chiefs/Rams. I watched the afternoon games a couple of weeks ago, including the Chiefs/Rams, and there was some terrible football.... IMO, great football ranks up there with any other sporting event, but average NFL football falls down the list a ways.





So, maybe it's the beer or the long week or something.... but, am I reading that right? Because, you know they haven't won a playoff game in like 63 years, right? (might be off by ~4 decades, but still...)

I enjoy watching those games because we should compete. I like to see resiliency and when those teams you should beat push you, you want to see how the team responds. It can say a lot about the behind the scenes of the team.

My wording was off. Apologies. I should have said regularly makes the playoffs THEN loses, implying we are consistently playing every year and losing. We seldom make it, but when we have we get our asses kicked.

Recently we have made it as a result of an easy last place schedule. That also isn't the case this year. We are competing with the top teams, which is exciting.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

2008 brought in a great amount of talent and things were looking up, then Cassel happened. This fan base hasn't been the same since.

I would hate to think that the psychic wounds were less from that era, but it not then that changes the dynamic a bit.

Personally, the Cassel era was an era of zero expectations from the Chiefs. I was perhaps as jaded as the 'haters' now are, perhaps more, though less vocal about it. Half of the time, I watched entire games with 'Yakkety Sax' playing in my mind. I actually paused the game to laugh for an extended period when Cassel went out, then Orton busted his vagina on his one play flea-flicker on the very next play.

I STILL laugh at the time Cassel got ANOTHER flea flicker knocked down at the LOS. . . . A FLEA FLICKER, . . . Knocked down . . . at the LINE OF SCRIMMAGE!!!!!!!

I bear no fantasies that the Chiefs don't have additional disappointments lurking for me to experience, but this is a new team and a new approach. This isn't the same old same old, outside the most superficial.

By all rights, our early injuries should have us as down as when Jaamal and Urrric went down, certainly with our schedule. These guys are being coached and developed.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

I enjoy watching those games because we should compete. I like to see resiliency and when those teams you should beat push you, you want to see how the team responds. It can say a lot about the behind the scenes of the team.

My wording was off. Apologies. I should have said regularly makes the playoffs THEN loses, implying we are consistently playing every year and losing. We seldom make it, but when we have we get our asses kicked.

Recently we have made it as a result of an easy last place schedule. That also isn't the case this year. We are competing with the top teams, which is exciting.

That's why the strategy sucks... you can definitely go from awful to okay in a season and it'll put butts in seats, but it's not like it guarantees future success any more than developing your own QB.

Granted, I can understand doing that for 2013 more than other years, as anyone in their right mind would want to flush and make people forget about that shit show.... but, after getting the new regime with the nice resumes from franchises that clearly get it, it certainly seemed like the same old story after being that team that gives up draft picks for a backup (and of course, the other argument is that maybe THIS time THIS regime knew what they were doing with the upcoming draft).


Last place schedules don't really exist though... it's only two games, and unless you get a team that's either consistently awful for a couple years in a row (like getting Jacksonville last year) or being a first place team that gets to play the Patriots, Colts, etc; it doesn't really make a difference. And most years, one team is already determined for the Chiefs, as they're just destined to play the Bills.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

That's why the strategy sucks... you can definitely go from awful to okay in a season and it'll put butts in seats, but it's not like it guarantees future success any more than developing your own QB.

Granted, I can understand doing that for 2013 more than other years, as anyone in their right mind would want to flush and make people forget about that shit show.... but, after getting the new regime with the nice resumes from franchises that clearly get it, it certainly seemed like the same old story after being that team that gives up draft picks for a backup (and of course, the other argument is that maybe THIS time THIS regime knew what they were doing with the upcoming draft).


Last place schedules don't really exist though... it's only two games, and unless you get a team that's either consistently awful for a couple years in a row (like getting Jacksonville last year) or being a first place team that gets to play the Patriots, Colts, etc; it doesn't really make a difference. And most years, one team is already determined for the Chiefs, as they're just destined to play the Bills.

I guess the long week and beer on this end is having an effect. I should say seasons with us in last place and us playing the most awful divisions (see 2010 season) or is going ass backwards into the playoffs (See 2006). Both of those times we had no business in the playoffs. It showed once we played. Last year we looked like we belonged. We look like we belong now if we don't lose anymore key players and keep this intensity up.

Personally I would love to see us win it all with Smith just to see this place afterwards. It would be epic.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I would hate to think that the psychic wounds were less from that era, but it not then that changes the dynamic a bit.

Personally, the Cassel era was an era of zero expectations from the Chiefs. I was perhaps as jaded as the 'haters' now are, perhaps more, though less vocal about it. Half of the time, I watched entire games with 'Yakkety Sax' playing in my mind. I actually paused the game to laugh for an extended period when Cassel went out, then Orton busted his vagina on his one play flea-flicker on the very next play.

I STILL laugh at the time Cassel got ANOTHER flea flicker knocked down at the LOS. . . . A FLEA FLICKER, . . . Knocked down . . . at the LINE OF SCRIMMAGE!!!!!!!

I bear no fantasies that the Chiefs don't have additional disappointments lurking for me to experience, but this is a new team and a new approach. This isn't the same old same old, outside the most superficial.

By all rights, our early injuries should have us as down as when Jaamal and Urrric went down, certainly with our schedule. These guys are being coached and developed.

Looking back on it is damn comical, but you can't deny that if you gave a coach and a GM worth their weight that core alongside Tamba, Bowe, DJ and a QB that could actually play wouldn't be competing to this day.

People always wondered why we had so many pro-bowlers and such an awful team, behold what a legit coach can do.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Some of you would rather lose with a QB like Geno than win with Alex.

Its ****ing ridiculous.

I don't think that's accurate.

Some would've rather rolled the dice on a young QB like Geno rather than take a known game manager whose ceiling is making wildcard weekend.

I personally would've rather gone young sooner...but knowing we will and seeing this rebuild is good enough for me for now.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

I guess the long week and beer on this end is having an effect. I should say seasons with us in last place and us playing the most awful divisions (see 2010 season) or is going ass backwards into the playoffs (See 2006). Both of those times we had no business in the playoffs. It showed once we played. Last year we looked like we belonged. We look like we belong now if we don't lose anymore key players and keep this intensity up.

Personally I would love to see us win it all with Smith just to see this place afterwards. It would be epic.

Yeah, that's why I've always hated the "they can make the playoffs!" talk.... Tim ****ing Tebow has won a playoff game. A 7-9 team has won a playoff game. There just aren't enough playoff caliber teams to fill out the playoffs, especially with so much focus on big offense.

The funny thing is after having the same mindset last year when they were 4-0, 5-0, 9-0, of not really giving a shit, I was actually encouraged by them competing in those shootouts while others were melting down about the defense. Not that anyone should blow off the defensive struggles, but these days teams really do need to be prepared to win that type of game (unless you truly have one of those shutdown defenses).... and of course in year one, it's not 'win or GFY'. Now that it's year two though...

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

I don't think that's accurate.

Some would've rather rolled the dice on a young QB like Geno rather than take a known game manager whose ceiling is making wildcard weekend.

I personally would've rather gone young sooner...but knowing we will and seeing this rebuild is good enough for me for now.

This is particularly funny, considering Clays favorite QBs, Romo, Cutler and Dalton, have the same ceiling at this point.

[mdchiefsfan]

Honestly, I get it's year two and there should be progress shown. I mailed this season in after the first game. I saw DJ and Devito go down with our crap secondary and out crap d-coordinator, who orchestrated the most atrocious second half in playoff history and said Whelp! See you next year!

If I hadn't purchased Sunday Ticket I wouldn't have paid any attention, just put my nose in my college books and did what I should be doing on Sundays while laughing my ass off at the Chiefs' and my misfortunes. But the Broncos game showed promise. Then the Pats game occurred and I was hooked for the season.

I got off topic a bit, but this is the first time that I have seen depth step up for KC and do their jobs. It is really fascinating to me since I was always used to Seeing us play the backup QB and us shitting down our legs. The coaching, though clock management is a large issue, is an over plus. They keep us in games and have our guys ready to play. Our GM is finding quality depth for the team and he may just know what he's doing. I can't recall the last time I could say that with a straight face.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

I don't think that's accurate.

Some would've rather rolled the dice on a young QB like Geno rather than take a known game manager whose ceiling is making wildcard weekend.

I personally would've rather gone young sooner...but knowing we will and seeing this rebuild is good enough for me for now.

He managed his way to overtime of the nfccg...

This team if they get in, can get to the afccg. Imo

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

I don't think that's accurate.

Some would've rather rolled the dice on a young QB like Geno rather than take a known game manager whose ceiling is making wildcard weekend.

I personally would've rather gone young sooner...but knowing we will and seeing this rebuild is good enough for me for now.

So much Dunning-Kruger in these types of arguments, and it seems like after a while people really believe anyone who even has a sliver of doubt about their point of view is just crazy or clinically reeruned...... that's what I get when I read crap like "would rather lose with a Geno than win with an Alex," anyway.


Of course, all people who like Alex Smith love all retread QBs because they prefer running the ball 50 times per game and winning with field position and turnover battle and they eat unfrosted pop tarts and have fantasized about being a boy band groupie, obviously.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

So much Dunning-Kruger in these types of arguments, and it seems like after a while people really believe anyone who even has a sliver of doubt about their point of view is just crazy or clinically reeruned...... that's what I get when I read crap like "would rather lose with a Geno than win with an Alex," anyway.


Of course, all people who like Alex Smith love all retread QBs because they prefer running the ball 50 times per game and winning with field position and turnover battle and they eat unfrosted pop tarts and have fantasized about being a boy band groupie, obviously.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]