Chiefs Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 - Page 11

Direckshun · 03-04-2013, 11:04 PM

Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had.

Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway).

So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall.

HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls.

Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess.

They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer.

While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE.

In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term.

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.

I'm sorry Dude but this is going into my sig.

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on Chiefsplanet.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:22 AM

If they sign Sean Smith, I'd do everything possible to trade down because then my top player is Justin Hunter and I want my 2 back.

mcaj22 · 03-05-2013, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

And after the team signs Sean Smith (if this in fact comes to pass)?

(FTR I wouldn't haggle you for your opinion so much if you'd post more often.)

(Asshole.)

(Forgive me. I just don't know if I'm ready for another relationship this soon.)

jesus christ

Sean Smith PLAYED WITH AL HARRIS

AL HARRIS INTERNED AS A COACH WITH THE DOLPHINS LAST YEAR

ALL HARRIS BECAME OUR ASSISTANT SECONDARY COACH

SEAN SMITH CONGRATULATED HIM.

the end. That's your fact that you think Sean Smith is coming here, him telling his buddy good job on the promotion

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If they sign Sean Smith, I'd do everything possible to trade down because then my top player is Justin Hunter and I want my 2 back.

PFC is reporting chiefs are going hard after sean smith and william moore.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:23 AM

Hey if he digs his coach that's always a good thing.

mcaj22 · 03-05-2013, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Again, you're not answering the question.

What are the headcase issues Sean Smith has on par with Talib?

I'm assuming that's just some shit you threw against the wall and hoped I'd take your word for it?

just like you throwing against the wall that Sean Smith is the best FA CB on the market, because hes not

**RealSNR** · 03-05-2013, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu

I see we're back to "bargaining".

Lol. I admittedly have let myself get caught back up in this. All in a span of one day. Not even that. One AFTERNOON.

The smart and wise thing to do would be to take a step back, calm down, and just hope for the best.

But it's ****ing Geno. I can't.

Direckshun · 03-05-2013, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm sorry Dude but this is going into my sig.

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on Chiefsplanet.

Yuh... welcome to an hour and a half ago?

Are you a different DaneMcCloud? Didn't we just have like a whole conversation?

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by penbook

PFC is reporting chiefs are going hard after sean smith and william moore.

I'd be fine with that, I'd also like to see Bart Scott and Cullen Jenkins/Chris Canty.

If all that were to happen, I'd take what I could get to move not even asking for a 1 next year get an extra 2 and 3 something next year take Justin Hunter and hope to get Barkley/Bray/etc at the top of the 2nd.

**BossChief** · 03-05-2013, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If they sign Sean Smith, I'd do everything possible to trade down because then my top player is Justin Hunter and I want my 2 back.

And if you can't move down?

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Lol. I admittedly have let myself get caught back up in this. All in a span of one day. Not even that. One AFTERNOON.

The smart and wise thing to do would be to take a step back, calm down, and just hope for the best.

But it's ****ing Geno. I can't.

**RealSNR** · 03-05-2013, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'd be fine with that, I'd also like to see Bart Scott and Cullen Jenkins/Chris Canty.

If all that were to happen, I'd take what I could get to move not even asking for a 1 next year get an extra 2 and 3 something next year take Justin Hunter and hope to get Barkley/Bray/etc at the top of the 2nd.

Yes on Cullen Jenkins. Ehh on Canty. Maybe for the right price.

Bart Scott can go ass to mouth with a man and get AIDS

Direckshun · 03-05-2013, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

just like you throwing against the wall that Sean Smith is the best FA CB on the market, because hes not

So... you have nothing to back that up, then.

There is no Talib-scale character scare that you claimed existed earlier in the thread.

Noted.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

And if you can't move down?

I might take him 1, I think Hunter is gonna be like Julio Jones.

saphojunkie · 03-05-2013, 12:26 AM

I simply do not believe that there won't be a team that offers SOMETHING to the chiefs for the right to draft Geno.

And whoever offers the most, be it three first rounders or simply a second rounder, the Chiefs will take the trade.

I think it will be Buffalo, but I'd be hoping for Philly. Then they will take a defensive lineman.

That's my best guess at what will happen. I think everyone in the league knows they want to trade back, and someone is going to do it. All the people freaking out that teams will simply trade with Jacksonville are naive. No one is trading up to the second spot and risking someone else jumping to number one. Anyone trading up is going right to the top.

03-04-2013, 11:04 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4403447	Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had. Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway). So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall. HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls. Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess. They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer. While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE. In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term. Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.
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03-05-2013, 12:22 AM	#152
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2647050	If they sign Sean Smith, I'd do everything possible to trade down because then my top player is Justin Hunter and I want my 2 back.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2647050	Hey if he digs his coach that's always a good thing.
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saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $4776250	I simply do not believe that there won't be a team that offers SOMETHING to the chiefs for the right to draft Geno. And whoever offers the most, be it three first rounders or simply a second rounder, the Chiefs will take the trade. I think it will be Buffalo, but I'd be hoping for Philly. Then they will take a defensive lineman. That's my best guess at what will happen. I think everyone in the league knows they want to trade back, and someone is going to do it. All the people freaking out that teams will simply trade with Jacksonville are naive. No one is trading up to the second spot and risking someone else jumping to number one. Anyone trading up is going right to the top.
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