Alpha WR's

[MahomesMagic]

Thought I would create a thread dedicated to the Alpha WR's as there has been a lot of attention already on getting a better Mecole or MVS or tiny 140 lb slot WR's.



Alphas can't be stopped, you can only pray to contain them.


Malik Nabers




Adonai Mitchell

Adonai Mitchell is no stranger to Georgia fans. 2nd & 18, 8:16 left in the fourth quarter, Stetson Bennett drops back and completes a 40-yard touchdown strike to Mitchell over the outstretched Alabama defender to garner Georgia the lead in the national title.
It's arguably the biggest catch in program history, and according to sources, Mitchell is only scratching the surface of his stardom. It's virtually every day at this point, Mitchell will have people within the building raving about some miraculous catch he's made, or how he caught 80% of the footballs during 11on11 scrimmages.




Watch as Adonai takes over the game and has to be held repeatedly to avoid further embarrassment.

[JPH83]

I'm not bothered by the 80% comment, I think it was a misguided attempt to suggest there's more in the tank, like a 4.35 40. I do agree on the intelligence of WRs point. I think I said the same somewhere re Moore and Rice that the physical differences mattered but I think the mental ones did too. If one of these guys is an obvious dummy I could probably favour the other.

[Coogs]

This video is probably a Q, but I'm really hoping leaning towards Brian Thomas Jr.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Coogs

This video is probably a Q, but I'm really hoping leaning towards Brian Thomas Jr.

Did you see this one that came out from Luke Easterling?

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/20...hy-rome-odunze


Has Thomas at #9.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Did you see this one that came out from Luke Easterling?

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/20...hy-rome-odunze


Has Thomas at #9.

I had not. He must see the same things I do.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Did you see this one that came out from Luke Easterling?

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/20...hy-rome-odunze


Has Thomas at #9.

lol Damn! I thought you meant #9 WR for a min and I there was a glimmer of hope

[kcbubb]

Worthy, Mitchell and Brian Thomas are all gone before we pick. Can yall argue about guys after that? The argument should be about the next tier of guys; Franklin, Coleman, McConkey, Pearsall, Legette, and maybe Walker? Whoever is in this tier is what I’d love to hear y’all argue about.

AD Mitchell is a big WR and he timed fast shows that speed on the field occasionally. Teams are gonna see that and games like the Bama game and salivate. He checks a lot of boxes, especially with his hands and his combine. Someone is gonna fall in love with worthy and take him in the 20’s. Teams covet that speed and deep threat. Worthy has production and shows that speed on the field and his route running isn’t bad either. He flashes great route running. Brian Thomas is big and can run and has production. He’s gone before we pick. AND we haven’t shown that wr is a priority for us. We traded hill and signed guys like MVS. We traded for Toney. We brought Mecole back. We have every reason to believe that the trenches will remain the priority, especially in a draft that’s deep at WR. We are much more likely to have one of these third tier WRs bc that 2nd tier is likely gone before we pick or the chiefs don’t value WR. Either way, we are more likely to have that third tier group of WRs for the chiefs. So, who would you rather have; Coleman, Franklin, mcconkey, pearsall and etc? Who do you like From that group?

[O.city]

Of that group, McConkey probably. He just comes ready to roll, not much development needed.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

lol Damn! I thought you meant #9 WR for a min and I there was a glimmer of hope

Me too! 🤣

[Chiefnj2]

I understand that worthy was the #1 receiver at Texas, but Mitchell still averaged LESS THAN 4 receptions per game. That's not very good. Why was he utilized so little? 2 or 3 catches per game against really bad defenses?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I understand that worthy was the #1 receiver at Texas, but Mitchell still averaged LESS THAN 4 receptions per game. That's not very good. Why was he utilized so little? 2 or 3 catches per game against really bad defenses?

Hence why some of us like him, but aren't 100% sold.

The production just wasn't there, even this year, which was relatively a breakout season.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Worthy, Mitchell and Brian Thomas are all gone before we pick. Can yall argue about guys after that? The argument should be about the next tier of guys; Franklin, Coleman, McConkey, Pearsall, Legette, and maybe Walker? Whoever is in this tier is what I’d love to hear y’all argue about.

AD Mitchell is a big WR and he timed fast shows that speed on the field occasionally. Teams are gonna see that and games like the Bama game and salivate. He checks a lot of boxes, especially with his hands and his combine. Someone is gonna fall in love with worthy and take him in the 20’s. Teams covet that speed and deep threat. Worthy has production and shows that speed on the field and his route running isn’t bad either. He flashes great route running. Brian Thomas is big and can run and has production. He’s gone before we pick. AND we haven’t shown that wr is a priority for us. We traded hill and signed guys like MVS. We traded for Toney. We brought Mecole back. We have every reason to believe that the trenches will remain the priority, especially in a draft that’s deep at WR. We are much more likely to have one of these third tier WRs bc that 2nd tier is likely gone before we pick or the chiefs don’t value WR. Either way, we are more likely to have that third tier group of WRs for the chiefs. So, who would you rather have; Coleman, Franklin, mcconkey, pearsall and etc? Who do you like
From that group?

The argument is alot about Franklin and Mitchell because both should be there or around there. Either could go a little higher or a little lower. My argument is Mitchell isn't a 1st rounder, his is that Franklin and Worthy both aren't. I'd consider Mitchell if my top 6 were gone. He is basically only considering Mitchell. Does that solve it?

I mean, paralysis by analysis season right? When we start thinking about how great a 40 catch 600 yard WR that ran a great gauntlet is while simultaneously knocking a 1350 yard 80 catch WR that has comps to Chris Olave and DeVonta Smith by guys not named me, then it starts getting weird. At some point what the kids did on the field matters a whole metric ****ton. We can parse that out ad nauseum but there has to be a dividing line where you separate guys by round based on traits/ceiling and production/projection. Just because I think a guy will be good doesn't mean he is that good right now. A guy who is good right now might not have as high of a ceiling as the next guy, etc. Tis the season. They all have warts that need ironing out to some extent or another too. I can say confidently that I'm not worried about Franklin's ability to catch a ball on the football field because he had a shitty gauntlet drill, he's proven that already. Now if it were a 25 catch guy I'm looking at in round 6, then yeah it might matter more.

Anyhow... my rant... I guess if you want to axe all those guys out, I would definitely not take a WR in round 1. I'm not even considering it. Maybe round 2 if the chips fall right. If not, I might push the issue in round 3.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The argument is alot about Franklin and Mitchell because both should be there or around there. Either could go a little higher or a little lower. My argument is Mitchell isn't a 1st rounder, his is that Franklin and Worthy both aren't. I'd consider Mitchell if my top 6 were gone. He is basically only considering Mitchell. Does that solve it?

I mean, paralysis by analysis season right? When we start thinking about how great a 40 catch 600 yard WR that ran a great gauntlet is while simultaneously knocking a 1350 yard 80 catch WR that has comps to Chris Olave and DeVonta Smith by guys not named me, then it starts getting weird. At some point what the kids did on the field matters a whole metric ****ton. We can parse that out ad nauseum but there has to be a dividing line where you separate guys by round based on traits/ceiling and production/projection. Just because I think a guy will be good doesn't mean he is that good right now. A guy who is good right now might not have as high of a ceiling as the next guy, etc. Tis the season. They all have warts that need ironing out to some extent or another too. I can say confidently that I'm not worried about Franklin's ability to catch a ball on the football field because he had a shitty gauntlet drill, he's proven that already. Now if it were a 25 catch guy I'm looking at in round 6, then yeah it might matter more.

Anyhow... my rant... I guess if you want to axe all those guys out, I would definitely not take a WR in round 1. I'm not even considering it. Maybe round 2 if the chips fall right. If not, I might push the issue in round 3.

I loved both players coming out. Don't see those comps at all.

I was higher on Olave than almost anyone. Olave does not play like Worthy.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I loved both players coming out. Don't see those comps at all.

I was higher on Olave than almost anyone. Olave does not play like Worthy.

That particular comp reference is for Franklin, not Worthy. And the other was for Coleman, though I'm probably off a few catches. I'm just spouting about how ridiculous this time of year gets before it settles back closer to a two months ago come the draft.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The argument is alot about Franklin and Mitchell because both should be there or around there. Either could go a little higher or a little lower. My argument is Mitchell isn't a 1st rounder, his is that Franklin and Worthy both aren't. I'd consider Mitchell if my top 6 were gone. He is basically only considering Mitchell. Does that solve it?

.

Between Worthy, Franklin and Mitchell, i think Franklin is the guy id feel most comfortable spending a 1st on. He's the most complete of the 3 imo and put stuff on "tape" that i believe are high degree of difficulty plays, which is something i'm constantly looking for.

I get that Mitchell's RAS is through the roof, but goddamn i keep going back to his "tape" hoping to come away impressed and while i do like what i see from him more than say, Quentin Johnston from last year (whom i thought would be a bust), there's still nothing that pops out as special or particularly NFL-esque.

I like Mitchell's ability to hand pluck the ball. He's got ideal size. His RAS is obviously /drool. But goddamn the man does NOTHING with the ball in his hands. He often goes down with the first defender, doesn't really break a play open. Would like to see him stay on his feet more. He's fallen down where big plays coulda been had. Not great body control, idgaf what others say about that. If he had great body control he wouldn't be falling down on some of those deep routes ala MVS. And for a guy who runs a 4.35, he looks very 4.4 on the field so im not sure what to make of that.

To be clear, if the Chiefs want to draft Mitchell i'd fully support it. It's not like a Skyy Moore "hate" thing from a few seasons ago.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

That particular comp reference is for Franklin, not Worthy. And the other was for Coleman, though I'm probably off a few catches. I'm just spouting about how ridiculous this time of year gets before it settles back closer to a two months ago come the draft.

Ok. But I don't see Olave/Franklin either.


Keep in mind, Olave went 11th overall.


Olave far better route runner, better COD, and faster initially.

Franklin's combine showed exactly what I saw in his games...he takes a while to get to top speed.