Eric Fisher sucked against Denver. Proof inside!

[Hammock Parties]

On these 20 plays, he is not doing a good job. 20/75 is 27 percent. If your LT is sucking 27 percent of the time, he deserves a poor grade.

Let's go to the tape, homers! Suckage presented in chronological order. Gifs will load in post #2 and #3.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by jspchief

I'm curious about this. A lot of posters dismissed Joeckel with little substance to support their stance. I remember saying I could see some areas where Fisher was intriguing but that Joeckel was realistically more likely to succeed in the NFL.

Joeckel was an issue of pride. Everybody told us to draft Joeckel the entire 2012 season while Albert was doing pretty well at LT. It was the whole, "You've got a 2-14 team with a decent LT who just needs a new contract. You have the #1 overall pick. Save the hassle of negotiating a new deal... just draft an OT at #1!"

And that was being said to fans of a 2-14 team.

It made me puke with anger during the season to hear draft dweebs like Kiper suggest that.

It turns out Fisher was even worse, but Joeckel was the poster boy. We had been brainwashed to associate him with all the worst things about the world. His very name turned was a trigger for emotional torture, like Beethoven's 9th was in Clockwork Orange.

****, and you think about B14ckm0n? Remember that troll? I laughed and laughed when the Jaguars drafted Joeckel and that turd got raped by his own dildo. That douchebag would still be trolling these forums if we had drafted Joeckel.

Joeckel was the better player, but **** that shit right now. I still don't give a gnat fart about that. The pick was already ruined when we traded what we did for Alex Smith and basically told Albert, "Here's a tag. You have one year to get your shit moved out."

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by SNR

Bull.

Shit.

I've said this over and over. 32 teams would have picked Joeckel or fisher if they had the #1. It's not like he was some huge reach like Tyjack.

Shitty draft is shitty.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The man has no balance. I'm guessing Frankenstien's monster has more dancing ability than this asshole.

Good God; what a HORRIBLE ****ing pick.

I'm finding it really hard to believe that Dorsey signed off on this.

[B_Razz]

Why don't we just face it and embrace the suck? It's not gonna change...just accept it. Yes i've had a bad day. whatever

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I've said this over and over. 32 teams would have picked Joeckel or fisher if they had the #1. It's not like he was some huge reach like Tyjack.

Shitty draft is shitty.

If Peyton Manning got injured in 2012, and the Donks went 2-14, would they have drafted one of those tackles?

Franklin would still have 2 years left. Clady had just signed a lucrative extension. Even if they traded Franklin away, they'd still be left with starting either their #1 overall pick or Clady at RT for the long term.

That would just be ****ing idiotic.

We weren't in much more of a position to justify that kind of pick. Only difference is our LT had this stigma of everybody wanting to move him to ****ing guard his entire career just because he played two years of guard in college. The rest of his ****ing football career from high school to pros was primarily at tackle, but "NOOO... HE'S A GUARD!"

We had to carve out a hole in the roster exclusively to justify making the pick of one of those OTs.

When you're 2-14, that's a terrible ****ing decision. Your #1 pick from the very beginning doesn't ****ing improve your team at all.

Hell, that's WORSE than the Tyson Jackson pick.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by SNR

If Peyton Manning got injured in 2012, and the Donks went 2-14, would they have drafted one of those tackles?

Franklin would still have 2 years left. Clady had just signed a lucrative extension. Even if they traded Franklin away, they'd still be left with starting either their #1 overall pick or Clady at RT for the long term.

That would just be ****ing idiotic.

We moved Franklin to Left Guard and put Chris Clark in at Tackle. Probably a bad example.

[chiefzilla1501]

Already given my reasons why I don't give a shit about off grades.

Does pff break out how many poor blocks were made during those long ass drives? Poor blocks made due to fatigue tell a much different story than those made when at full speed.

How does pff know what the play design was? What was fishers assignment? Again, several instances in the gifs where Davis seems to pick a different cutback lane. Others where Fisher isn't asked to drive block. Yet more where the blocking was just fine.

How much weight do they put on poor play from teammates forcing extra work on Fisher? How many lower rated plays should have been avoided by the qb getting rid of the ball faster? That shit really matters when we know fishers linemates are terrible and Smith holds on to the ball too long.

I haven't seen anything that changes the story of what I saw . Good enough for a second start, huge progress, seemed to get fatigued during the long drive and never seemed to recover. Other issues with fixable technique. And sprinkled in were several just poor blocking and others where he was a little overpowered.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Gee, if only there was a way for a dumb**** to find out

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by SNR

If Peyton Manning got injured in 2012, and the Donks went 2-14, would they have drafted one of those tackles?

Franklin would still have 2 years left. Clady had just signed a lucrative extension. Even if they traded Franklin away, they'd still be left with starting either their #1 overall pick or Clady at RT for the long term.

That would just be ****ing idiotic.

We weren't in much more of a position to justify that kind of pick. Only difference is our LT had this stigma of everybody wanting to move him to ****ing guard his entire career just because he played two years of guard in college. The rest of his ****ing football career from high school to pros was primarily at tackle, but "NOOO... HE'S A GUARD!"

We had to carve out a hole in the roster exclusively to justify making the pick of one of those OTs.

When you're 2-14, that's a terrible ****ing decision. Your #1 pick from the very beginning doesn't ****ing improve your team at all.

Hell, that's WORSE than the Tyson Jackson pick.

All this...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SNR

Joeckel was an issue of pride. Everybody told us to draft Joeckel the entire 2012 season while Albert was doing pretty well at LT. It was the whole, "You've got a 2-14 team with a decent LT who just needs a new contract. You have the #1 overall pick. Save the hassle of negotiating a new deal... just draft an OT at #1!"

And that was being said to fans of a 2-14 team.

It made me puke with anger during the season to hear draft dweebs like Kiper suggest that.

It turns out Fisher was even worse, but Joeckel was the poster boy. We had been brainwashed to associate him with all the worst things about the world. His very name turned was a trigger for emotional torture, like Beethoven's 9th was in Clockwork Orange.

****, and you think about B14ckm0n? Remember that troll? I laughed and laughed when the Jaguars drafted Joeckel and that turd got raped by his own dildo. That douchebag would still be trolling these forums if we had drafted Joeckel.

Joeckel was the better player, but **** that shit right now. I still don't give a gnat fart about that. The pick was already ruined when we traded what we did for Alex Smith and basically told Albert, "Here's a tag. You have one year to get your shit moved out."

It's called moving the uprights. We complained for years about taking safe picks. Now we demand that nfl players be ready right away.

Either left tackle was a stupid ass pick. But people acting like joeckl was a better pick because he was safer is the definition of flip flopping through hindsight.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by listopencil

We moved Franklin to Left Guard and put Chris Clark in at Tackle. Probably a bad example.

So you'd be cool with your #1 overall pick playing RT longterm?

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by SNR

So you'd be cool with your #1 overall pick playing RT longterm?

If we already had a franchise LT and the guy was a franchise RT...yes. The Broncos have done much, much dumber things on draft day.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's called moving the uprights. We complained for years about taking safe picks. Now we demand that nfl players be ready right away.

Either left tackle was a stupid ass pick. But people acting like joeckl was a better pick because he was safer is the definition of flip flopping through hindsight.

Poe was a risky pick.

Ford was a risky pick.

Fisher wasn't a risky pick. He was a stupid pick.

I don't know anything about Joeckel. I refused to watch him play or read his scouting reports. I still don't care. I'm far from a "We should have drafted Joeckel!" guy.

Our team would still be 0-2 right now, and we still would have lost to the Colts last year in the playoffs.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by listopencil

If we already had a franchise LT and the guy was a franchise RT...yes. The Broncos have done much, much dumber things on draft day.

So wouldn't it make far more sense to draft DJ Fluker at #1 overall than Joeckel, Fisher, or Johnson?

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by SNR

So you'd be cool with your #1 overall pick playing RT longterm?

As long as a guy turns out to be a solid, productive player, it doesn't matter where he's picked in the long run.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by SNR

So wouldn't it make far more sense to draft DJ Fluker at #1 overall than Joeckel, Fisher, or Johnson?

Maybe. It is kind of a crap shoot and it might be better to have guys who can swing from LT to RT when somebody goes down with an injury.