Better Call Saul

[rico]

As I am sure many of y'all already know, a spinoff of "Breaking Bad" titled "Better Call Saul" will be airing in 2014. This is going to be a prequel to Breaking Bad and will be based on the character of Saul Goodman from "Breaking Bad."

I, for one, will be watching. I'm sure the majority of all of you other "Breaking Bad" fans will be as well. Might as well get the discussion going sooner rather than later.

So... what are your hopes, expectations and/or concerns with the show? Here are some of mine:

Hopes: I hope to see Saul do his thing in the courtroom. I hope to see strong, unique supporting characters. I hope to see Breaking Bad foreshadowing. I hope he has an intriguing paralegal and/or assistant. I hope to see Breaking Bad characters such as Fring, Mike, etc...whoever. I hope the show kicks ass.

Expectations: I don't expect it to be as good as "Breaking Bad" (because nothing else is, really), but I expect it to be good since Vince Gilligan is writing. I somewhat expect it to have an even balance of comedy and drama...since Saul undeniably provides a substantial amount of comedic relief in "Breaking Bad." I expect to see "courtroom Saul." I expect the "Breaking Bad" references and character cameos to be less than what I hope. If it isn't even a fraction as good as "Breaking Bad," I expect it to be better than 95% of everything else on TV, since there is some shitty shit on TV these days.

Concerns: I'd be a liar if I were to say that I didn't think this show has potential of flopping and certainly failing to meet the presumed high expectations of the audience. Don't get me wrong, I think it will be good... but I think it COULD suck if not executed properly. My main concern is Saul ultimately proving himself to be a "little dab will do ya" type of character, which would lead to a show centered around his character not working out. I am hoping that the character of Saul will not be so over-used and constantly over the top, that he becomes annoying to me, thus ruining his character for me altogether... Not saying I think this will be how it goes down...just saying I think there is a CHANCE of this being the case, which prompts me to believe that a strong supporting cast is VITAL in terms of the amount of success/quality this show will accumulate. All in all, I don't think VG will steer us in an unfortunate direction though...I think they'll pull it off.

Thoughts?

DISCUS!!!!

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Not to get biblical but the setup makes me think Gilligan is referencing the prodigal son. Jimmy is the prodigal son who tries to go legit. Chuck is the jealous brother upset that his brother is getting showered with attention. In the end, it's the jealous brother who has done right all his life that is painted as the bad guy.

Chuck is the jealous brother on steroids. He's now using Jimmy's love for chuck as a weapon. Jimmy has been masterful at covering his tracks but slips twice because he cares more about his brother than about covering his own ass. Chuck using that against Jimmy says a lot about what a weasel he's become.

Of course Jimmy is the symbolic equivalent, and Chuck is ready to toss him down the hole. Mesa Verde is the equivalent of the 20 pieces of silver.

[Molitoth]

I wouldn't be surprised if someone is out there comparing penmanship to something Gus wrote in BB and the note on Mikes car.

I think Gus is watching Mike watch Hector.

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

I don't believe Jimmy is dead to rights here.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy goes guns a blazin' to get Chuck committed. He'd have the support of Chuck's doctors, and could write off that recording as him playing along with a delusional fantasy. Getting Chuck committed could ruin both HHM and the McGill name, necessitating the advent of Saul (in more ways than one).

Given Chuck's mental condition and being secretly taped under the circumstances, he's got the equivalent of a howitzer with only blanks.

At first blush it's intimidating, but upon closer inspection, can't do much more than a flesh wound.

Ernie coming clean would be him actually getting any live ammo.

The doctor is certainly not going to help chuck's case- she's already recommended him being committed.

If Chuck goes public with this, he will do far greater damage to HHM, and even his fitness to keep his license to practice could be in jeopardy.

A hidden recording really only paints Jimmy as trying to do whatever to make his brother feel better, not to mention I don’t know New Mexico's wiretapping laws or possible legality issues with his little stunt.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Given Chuck's mental condition and being secretly taped under the circumstances, he's got the equivalent of a howitzer with only blanks.

At first blush it's intimidating, but upon closer inspection, can't do much more than a flesh wound.

Ernie coming clean would be him actually getting any live ammo.

The doctor is certainly not going to help chuck's case- she's already recommended him being committed.

If Chuck goes public with this, he will do far greater damage to HHM, and even his fitness to keep his license to practice could be in jeopardy.

A hidden recording really only paints Jimmy as trying to do whatever to make his brother feel better, not to mention I don’t know New Mexico's wiretapping laws or possible legality issues with his little stunt.

Yeah. In Kansas, you have to disclose you are taping and I think you have to have authorization. Not sure, but I know you have to disclose it.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

Kim's just as much a piece of shit as Jimmy. She wants to benefit from his misdeeds, she just doesn't want to know about them. That IMO means she is not only just as shady as Jimmy, she still believes she's not.

She DOESN'T want to benefit from them, but she understands the bell has been rung, and there's no going back. Even if she gave up Mesa Verde they'd never return to HHM, so whats the point?

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Yeah. In Kansas, you have to disclose you are taping and I think you have to have authorization. Not sure, but I know you have to disclose it.

Kansas and New Mexico are one party states, so only one party needs to know it's being recorded.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

Kansas and New Mexico are one party states, so only one party needs to know it's being recorded.

Look at who's wrong

<---This ****ing guy.

I could have swore you needed to disclose it here.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

She DOESN'T want to benefit from them, but she understands the bell has been rung, and there's no going back. Even if she gave up Mesa Verde they'd never return to HHM, so whats the point?

Yeah, I don't get any criticism for Kim. I think she is looking out for Jimmy more than anything. But this is Gilligan so it's only a matter of time before she finds gray area.

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Look at who's wrong

<---This ****ing guy.

I could have swore you needed to disclose it here.

Typically the more "liberal" states require more than one party be made aware. Not a hard and fast rule, but generality.

[notorious]

Don't forget about Gus's "partner".

He doesn't get taken out for a while if I remember correctly.

Gus will learn a lesson about half-measures, too. If he stopped Mike from taking out the uncle, the uncle ends up killing his partner by the pool.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Typically the more "liberal" states require more than one party be made aware. Not a hard and fast rule, but generality.

12 states are "all party" states: CA, CT, FL, IL, MD, MA, MI, MT, NV, PA, WA

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

12 states are "all party" states: CA, CT, FL, IL, MD, MA, MI, MT, NV, PA, WA

Sounds right. Thanks for the info. Looks like the number of states has gone down? It used to be around 20, I thought.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That would be Jimmy breaking bad. There's no evidence he would do this. He sabotaged chuck to save Kim not because he wanted revenge. He twice had the choice to save his ass or save his brother. Both times he picked his brother. If Jimmy does that that's a huge change in his character.

If there was a "Breaking Bad" moment, this could be it.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

Kansas and New Mexico are one party states, so only one party needs to know it's being recorded.

The whole thing that Chuck did sounds like entrapment, especially if he's the only party that knows it's being recorded.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

The whole thing that Chuck did sounds like entrapment, especially if he's the only party that knows it's being recorded.

Entrapment is when a law enforcement officer induces you to commit a crime. Chuck isn't law enforcement and he just tricked Jimmy into incriminating himself, not into committing the crime in the first place.