Chiefs Late night bullshit: it's been three years, let's grade the 2013 Draft. - Page 3

Direckshun · 02:11 AM

T'was Dorsey's first.

Our hearts had been broken by signing Alex Smith, and half the board was engaged in an intense fight over Geno Smith.

Ah, those were the days.

1. OT Eric Fisher, Central Michigan C

I'm giving this a C for now. Fish came on strong at the end of 2015 and played well in the playoffs. If he becomes a reliable left tackle, this grade could get bumped up. He'd have to be an All Pro for me to ever get into "A" range.

3. TE Travis Kelce, Cincinnati A

One of the league's best tight ends, Kelce is super athletic, with elite size and improves every year in blocking.

3. RB Knile Davis, Arkansas D

Injury prone with fumble-itis, his pro career has put those weaknesses front and center, and now he's on the verge of getting cut. It's not all terrible for Davis; when he's run 20+ times as a feature back, he plays well -- his play declines sharply in a committee, though. His play in the playoffs has been very good, with the one exception being the ill-fated fumble that partially cost us the game against New England.

4. ILB Nico Johnson, Alabama D

Not real sure what happened with Nico. He languished on the depth chart behind Akeem Jordan in 2013 and couldn't get on the field when Joe Mays and Derrick. Johnson both went down in 2014, losing time to James-Michael Johnson and Josh Mauga, before getting cut. He now is JAG for the Bengals, I believe.

5. S Sanders Commings, Georgia F+

Bad luck. Played two actual snaps for us but couldn't stay healthy. On those two plays, he planted a RB on his ass. Too bad.

6. C Eric Kush C+

Looked pretty good in preseason, but could never ascend to get a starting job. When he was in line for one, the Chiefs opted to cut him and draft Mitch Morse with a 2nd instead.

6. FB Braden Wilson, Kansas State F

Wilson never even made it to the 53. The Chiefs traded for Anthony Sherman within days.

7. DE Mike Catapano, Princeton C

I still think Catapano can play. His Princeton tape was so boss, and he played pretty well when he was on the field. The Chiefs just kept bringing in talent at DE, though, and Big Cat couldn't break through.

keg in kc · 05-01-2016, 11:28 AM

I'd actually give Fisher a C with respect to his draft position. Maybe stretch that to a B- if I'm feeling generous. Kelce is an obvious A and I think Davis would be another C but unlike Fisher his stock is dropping. The rest of the class is an F. I don't think you can give anything else to players who never contributed here in any meaningful way.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-01-2016, 11:32 AM

It was a subpar draft. They had the #1 overall pick and left with one really good TE and a mediocre starting LT.

It certainly wasn't a disaster, but it left a lot to be desired.

staylor26 · 05-01-2016, 11:36 AM

At least 28 of the 32 teams, probably more, would've taken Joeckel over Fisher. That alone makes the Fisher pick a B with the possibility of an A if he takes the next step in 2016.

Can you ****ing imagine if we took Joeckel?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-01-2016, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

At least 28 of the 32 teams, probably more, would've taken Joeckel over Fisher. That alone makes the Fisher pick a B with the possibility of an A if he takes the next step in 2016.

Can you ****ing imagine if we took Joeckel?

That's a false dichotomy. The choices weren't Fisher/Joeckel. It was Fisher vs. everyone else in the draft. There were 9 players from the first round who made the Pro Bowl, six who weren't interior lineman or who made it for ST.

Fisher wasn't a disaster of a pick, but it's certainly nowhere near a B/A. That's pure homerism.

Bump · 05-01-2016, 11:46 AM

well we got one gem of a TE and a serviceable LT, he did get better last year so maybe he will improve again, its contract year right? It was really bad luck getting #1 that year. And knile davis had some good moments here, but just fell off the depth chart but was still a solid returner.

staylor26 · 05-01-2016, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's a false dichotomy. The choices weren't Fisher/Joeckel. It was Fisher vs. everyone else in the draft. There were 9 players from the first round who made the Pro Bowl, six who weren't interior lineman or who made it for ST.

Fisher wasn't a disaster of a pick, but it's certainly nowhere near a B/A. That's pure homerism.

Ok Dion Jordan?

Dee Millner?

Tavon Austin?

Barkevious Mingo?

Chance Warmack?

Justin Cooper?

You called this a subpar draft. That is a ****ing understatement. The top 10 was a mess and other than Ezekiel Ansah there wasn't one guy that would've been a better option. Ansah was also already 24 years old with little experience (not to mention not a fit at 3-4 OLB), so he had no shot at going #1 overall. I'd actually still take Fisher over him today for us. I'd also take Fisher over Lane Johnson, but that one is close.

To point to a guy outside of the top 10 (say DeAndre Hopkins) and say that's the guy we should've taken is completely ridiculous. The guys I mentioned were essentially our choices.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-01-2016, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Ok Dion Jordan?

Dee Millner?

Tavon Austin?

Barkevious Mingo?

Chance Warmack?

Justin Cooper?

You called this a subpar draft. That is a ****ing understatement. The top 10 was a mess and other than Ezekiel Ansah there wasn't one guy that would've been a better option. Ansah was also already 24 years old with little experience (not to mention not a fit at 3-4 OLB), so he had no shot at going #1 overall. I'd actually still take Fisher over him today for us. I'd also take Fisher over Lane Johnson, but that one is close.

To point to a guy outside of the top 10 (say DeAndre Hopkins) and say that's the guy we should've taken is completely ridiculous. The guys I mentioned were essentially our choices.

There were people on here before the draft arguing that we should take Sheldon Richardson. It's not revisionist history at all.

staylor26 · 05-01-2016, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

There were people on here before the draft arguing that we should take Sheldon Richardson. It's not revisionist history at all.

I was one of them, but there was no ****ing way this team was taking him #1 overall with those character concerns. You gotta be ****ing kidding me. Those concerns STILL haven't been alleviated.

And don't give me that shit that we took guys with character concerns the past two years. This was the #1 overall pick and the first choice this regime had. Completely different ball game.

ILChief · 05-01-2016, 01:46 PM

Just pretend Kelce was the first rounder and fisher was the second and it's all good

ILChief · 05-01-2016, 01:47 PM

I think the D for Knile is a bit harsh.

tmax63 · 05-01-2016, 01:55 PM

Low B range. couple of above average starters, couple of part timers/trade bait and couple who didn't pan out. Considering the track the Chiefs have taken from picking 1st to picking 28th this year; something must be working.

jd1020 · 05-01-2016, 01:59 PM

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I think the D for Knile is a bit harsh.

Why? D is technically a passing grade, you just cant advance to the next level with that grade. He's got one of the worst YPC in the league. His fumble rate is god awful. And he's unlikely to finish out his rookie contract in KC. The majority of his touchdowns came in goal line situations after Charles put the offense on his back for 80 yards and what big plays he did have came when the blocking was absolutely perfect and allowed him to run in a straight line, because that's all he can do. His time to show what he could do was last year after Charles went down for the season and he quickly became the 3rd option. D is a perfect grade from where I'm sitting.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-01-2016, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I was one of them, but there was no ****ing way this team was taking him #1 overall with those character concerns. You gotta be ****ing kidding me. Those concerns STILL haven't been alleviated.

And don't give me that shit that we took guys with character concerns the past two years. This was the #1 overall pick and the first choice this regime had. Completely different ball game.

So taking a guy who was kicked off his team with the #1 overall pick last year and three guys who were suspended or kicked off of their teams this year is irrelevant because Fisher was taken chronologically before them?

I'm going to break something down for you: if John Dorsey cared about character he wouldn't have drafted the players he did. He didn't avoid Richardson because of his character, he drafted Fisher because Albert was leaving the next year.

staylor26 · 05-01-2016, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

So taking a guy who was kicked off his team with the #1 overall pick last year and three guys who were suspended or kicked off of their teams this year is irrelevant because Fisher was taken chronologically before them?

I'm going to break something down for you: if John Dorsey cared about character he wouldn't have drafted the players he did. He didn't avoid Richardson because of his character, he drafted Fisher because Albert was leaving the next year.

Marcus Peters was the #1 overall pick? News to me.

We're talking about the #1 overall pick for a new regime taking over a 2-14 team and trying to change the entire culture of the organization.

That's completely different than starting to take chances once you've accomplished that and established yourself as a winning football team with a great lockeroom full of YOUR guys who YOU trust.

The fact that I even have to explain this is quite sad.

But then again I'm speaking to the guy that knew everything there was to know about Mitch Morse and was convinced that pick sucked because he's a Mizzou fan who watched him for years. It took me 6-7 games to see that was a great pick.

Also, the same guy that answered my question of what starter did the Chiefs pass up on Thurday night with Robert Nkemdiche. A guy that wouldn't even start on this team, is very similar to the guy we took at 37 in terms of upside, and plays the same exact position (without as good of production).

You're supposedly one of the more knowledgeable fans on this board, but I don't see it. You just like to bitch because you're probably a close minded, arrogant, miserable **** living off of a reputation about being right on past regimes. It's cowardly to keep doubling down on your negative bullshit with a regime that is clearly different from those in the past because you're so scared to be positive and end up being wrong.

Dante84 · 05-01-2016, 02:36 PM

2013 was goddamned terrible ****ing draft class across the board. I'd be curious how our group from that year compared to everyone else's group.

I still trust Dorsey.

05-01-2016, 02:05 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4393447	Late night bullshit: it's been three years, let's grade the 2013 Draft. T'was Dorsey's first. Our hearts had been broken by signing Alex Smith, and half the board was engaged in an intense fight over Geno Smith. Ah, those were the days. 1. OT Eric Fisher, Central Michigan C I'm giving this a C for now. Fish came on strong at the end of 2015 and played well in the playoffs. If he becomes a reliable left tackle, this grade could get bumped up. He'd have to be an All Pro for me to ever get into "A" range. 3. TE Travis Kelce, Cincinnati A One of the league's best tight ends, Kelce is super athletic, with elite size and improves every year in blocking. 3. RB Knile Davis, Arkansas D Injury prone with fumble-itis, his pro career has put those weaknesses front and center, and now he's on the verge of getting cut. It's not all terrible for Davis; when he's run 20+ times as a feature back, he plays well -- his play declines sharply in a committee, though. His play in the playoffs has been very good, with the one exception being the ill-fated fumble that partially cost us the game against New England. 4. ILB Nico Johnson, Alabama D Not real sure what happened with Nico. He languished on the depth chart behind Akeem Jordan in 2013 and couldn't get on the field when Joe Mays and Derrick. Johnson both went down in 2014, losing time to James-Michael Johnson and Josh Mauga, before getting cut. He now is JAG for the Bengals, I believe. 5. S Sanders Commings, Georgia F+ Bad luck. Played two actual snaps for us but couldn't stay healthy. On those two plays, he planted a RB on his ass. Too bad. 6. C Eric Kush C+ Looked pretty good in preseason, but could never ascend to get a starting job. When he was in line for one, the Chiefs opted to cut him and draft Mitch Morse with a 2nd instead. 6. FB Braden Wilson, Kansas State F Wilson never even made it to the 53. The Chiefs traded for Anthony Sherman within days. 7. DE Mike Catapano, Princeton C I still think Catapano can play. His Princeton tape was so boss, and he played pretty well when he was on the field. The Chiefs just kept bringing in talent at DE, though, and Big Cat couldn't break through. Last edited by Direckshun; 05-01-2016 at 02:11 AM..
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05-01-2016, 11:28 AM	#31
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05-01-2016, 11:32 AM	#32
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	It was a subpar draft. They had the #1 overall pick and left with one really good TE and a mediocre starting LT. It certainly wasn't a disaster, but it left a lot to be desired. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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05-01-2016, 11:36 AM	#33
staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $1809040	At least 28 of the 32 teams, probably more, would've taken Joeckel over Fisher. That alone makes the Fisher pick a B with the possibility of an A if he takes the next step in 2016. Can you ****ing imagine if we took Joeckel?
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05-01-2016, 11:46 AM	#35
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $2255105	well we got one gem of a TE and a serviceable LT, he did get better last year so maybe he will improve again, its contract year right? It was really bad luck getting #1 that year. And knile davis had some good moments here, but just fell off the depth chart but was still a solid returner.
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05-01-2016, 01:46 PM	#39
ILChief MVP Join Date: Jan 2001 Casino cash: $7914831	Just pretend Kelce was the first rounder and fisher was the second and it's all good
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ILChief MVP Join Date: Jan 2001 Casino cash: $7914831	I think the D for Knile is a bit harsh.
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tmax63 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $3260400	Low B range. couple of above average starters, couple of part timers/trade bait and couple who didn't pan out. Considering the track the Chiefs have taken from picking 1st to picking 28th this year; something must be working. __________________ An armed member of society is a citizen, an unarmed member is a subject.
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Dante84 Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ATX & OPKS Casino cash: $1801996 VARSITY	2013 was goddamned terrible ****ing draft class across the board. I'd be curious how our group from that year compared to everyone else's group. I still trust Dorsey. __________________ ..
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