Grading Dorsey's Trades with the Chiefs

[Dante84]

To date, here are the trades made under Dorsey’s reign…

1. Chiefs trade 2013 and 2014 second-round picks to 49ers for quarterback Alex Smith: The picks would eventually become wide receivers Justin Hunter and Cody Latimer. While both had some hype coming out of college, neither has been particularly productive in the NFL. Smith, meanwhile, has led the Chiefs to their first, back-to-back winning seasons since ’05 and ’06. Winner: Chiefs

2. Chiefs trade cornerback Javier Arenas to Cardinals for fullback Anthony Sherman: Arenas became a depth and role player for the Cardinals for one year before being let go. He spent 2014 in Atlanta and is currently a free agent. Sherman has been one of the best fullbacks in the NFL over the last two years. Winner: Chiefs

3. Chiefs trade linebacker Edgar Jones and 2014 seventh-round pick to Cowboys for 2014 sixth-round pick: The Cowboys used the pick on another linebacker, Will Smith. Neither Jones or Smith is still on the Dallas roster. The Chiefs used their pick on Zach Fulton, who started at offensive guard for the entire 2014 NFL season, and may reprise that role this year. Winner: Chiefs

4. Chiefs trade offensive lineman Rishaw Johnson to Buccaneers for defensive back Kelcie McCray: Johnson has bounced around training camps since the trade (five teams in under a year). McCray was a valuable special teams player. He is in the mix again this year. Winner: Chiefs

5. Chiefs trade 2015 fifth-round pick to Saints for Ben Grubbs: The Saints would use this pick on defensive tackle Tyeler Davison. The Saints would also later sign Chiefs guard Mike McGlynn. Grubbs is the only guaranteed starter on the Kansas City offensive line at this point. Winner: TBD…but hard to imagine it won’t be the Chiefs.

6. Chiefs trade 2015 third- and sixth-round picks to Vikings for 2015 third-round pick: The picks the Chiefs gave up turned into cornerback Alex Carter and defensive end BJ Dubose. The Chiefs used their acquired pick on wide receiver Chris Conley. The results of this trade will play out over the next year or so. Winner: TBD

By no means is this a large number of trades. The Chiefs have actually been one of the least likely teams to try and move around in the draft. However, when talking about player-for-player trades, Dorsey has resurrected a practice that had largely been abandoned by the rest of the league. Dorsey also shows a penchant for moving picks for players. And in each case except the Edgar Jones trade, the move was made with the intent of acquiring a specific player. And so far, that list shows that Dorsey knows exactly what he’s doing every time he makes a trade. Dorsey understands how to use his assets to obtain better options for the team.

The truly interesting trend of Dorsey’s trading habits is that he has made a player-for-player trade in each of the first two seasons of his tenure. While that is hardly a long enough stretch to make any scientific prediction, it does lend some credence to the idea that Kansas City will look to do the same this year. And why not? If you have a player that might not make the team, or is just wasting cap space on your depth chart, why not try to move him for someone that may have more of an impact?

Dorsey has touched on this before. Prior to the draft, when asked about moving picks, the Chiefs general manager said: “We have called around to express interest just to let everybody know we can talk…Let’s have an open line of communication. Whatever you have to offer, let’s talk about it.”

While that was specifically a reference to trading picks, it has been pretty obvious that he has the same policy across the board. Shortly before that interview, Dorsey had just locked up a trade with the Saints that brought Grubbs to Kansas City.

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[ThaVirus]

DO YOU REMEMBER VINCE ****ING AGNEW?!?

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by milkman

Comparing Smith to Aikman?

Holy ****!

Stats mean jack.

If you watched Aikman and you watch Smith and somehow reached the conclusion that they are comaparable, then you are a ****ing moron.

While I totally agree, I also have to wonder what a guy like Alex would be like if given the same things to work with as TA did.

HOF receiver
HOF RB
Great TE
Possibly the best OL in league history
Great coaching
Very good #2 receiver
Best defense in football

It will be interesting to see how Alex plays when the team around him is vastly improved.

He won't be Troy Aikman good, but I expect a career year.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by milkman

Comparing Smith to Aikman?

Holy ****!

Stats mean jack.

If you watched Aikman and you watch Smith and somehow reached the conclusion that they are comaparable, then you are a ****ing moron.

comparing today's stats to Aikman's era stats is pretty stupid, I agree

[BossChief]

Aikman was probably the most accurate QB it ever saw.

I bet at least part of that was his ability to be comfortable in the pocket and that defenses had to play him honest, though.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

Comparing Smith to Aikman?

Holy ****!

Stats mean jack.

If you watched Aikman and you watch Smith and somehow reached the conclusion that they are comaparable, then you are a ****ing moron.

Russell Wilson has similar stats.

The point was that contrary that what some people around here constantly spew, it's not necessary to throw for 4,500 yards and 40 TD's to win a Super Bowl.

And Troy Aikman was egregiously overrated. Once the talent around him began to dissipate, so did his effectiveness.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Aikman was probably the most accurate QB it ever saw.

I bet at least part of that was his ability to be comfortable in the pocket and that defenses had to play him honest, though.

Well, it was a combination of Emmitt Smith and an incredible offensive line and let's not forget, a pretty damn amazing coaching staff.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by ILChief

Who was it here that lost their mind when we traded Arenas for Sherman?

One of those JD guys. I always get them confused.

Yeah, dumb.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BossChief

While I totally agree, I also have to wonder what a guy like Alex would be like if given the same things to work with as TA did.

HOF receiver
HOF RB
Great TE
Possibly the best OL in league history
Great coaching
Very good #2 receiver
Best defense in football

It will be interesting to see how Alex plays when the team around him is vastly improved.

He won't be Troy Aikman good, but I expect a career year.

If this O-Line improves, with the weapons now at his disposal, Alex Smith could return to the level that he played at with the 9ers in 2012 before he was replaced by Kaperniick.

That should be good enough.

But Aikman is probably top 5 all time in accuracy, and he went through his progressions as quickly as any QB.
People struggle with the concept, because of the talent he had surrounding him, but he was an elite QB.

Alex Smith is not that.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Russell Wilson has similar stats.

The point was that contrary that what some people around here constantly spew, it's not necessary to throw for 4,500 yards and 40 TD's to win a Super Bowl.

And Troy Aikman was egregiously overrated. Once the talent around him began to dissipate, so did his effectiveness.

Aikman was aging, which had as much, or more to do, with his diminishing effectiveness as the talent around him.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by milkman

If this O-Line improves, with the weapons now at his disposal, Alex Smith could return to the level that he played at with the 9ers in 2012 before he was replaced by Kaperniick.

That should be good enough.

But Aikman is probably top 5 all time in accuracy, and he went through his progressions as quickly as any QB.
People struggle with the concept, because of the talent he had surrounding him, but he was an elite QB.

Alex Smith is not that.

I expect to see him play the best ball of his career in 2015-2017.

Especially if JC can stay healthy.

[ct]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I didn't like the trade because it made no sense at the time.

IIRC, we basically had Jalil Brown and Brandon Flowers at CB and Dorsey came in and traded a serviceable nickel guy away for a FB when we had just drafted a FB in the 5th round.

this is why most didn't like it, myself included

of course sherman has proven to be 100x the player arenas is

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I didn't like the trade because it made no sense at the time.

IIRC, we basically had Jalil Brown and Brandon Flowers at CB and Dorsey came in and traded a serviceable nickel guy away for a FB when we had just drafted a FB in the 5th round.

So "serviceable" he isn't on an NFL roster.

[BossChief]

It really makes me wonder how many records Dan Marino would have put up in today's NFL.

The guy was throwing 40tds a year in the 80s.

That was in a time when defenses could rape receivers, too.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BossChief

It really makes me wonder how many records Dan Marino would have put up in today's NFL.

The guy was throwing 40tds a year in the 80s.

That was in a time when defenses could rape receivers, too.

And he did it with smurfs.

Good lord, I can't even fathom what he could have accomplished with guys like Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

Aikman was aging, which had as much, or more to do, with his diminishing effectiveness as the talent around him.

He had a pretty amazing 5 year run from 1992-1996 where his completion percentage was a minimum of nearly 65%. Outside of those years, it was below 60%.

Anyway, Alex Smith's completion percentage was 70% in 2012 and 65% in 2014. If he can keep it between 65-70 AND his receivers begin to provide him with more YAC, the 2015 Chiefs have a chance.