Chiefs Geno Smith vs Alex Smith - It's on. - Page 49

Hammock Parties · 02:56 AM

It's on now. Geno Smith is probably going to be starting for the Jets this season.

Alex Smith will be the Chiefs QB for the forseeable future. If he's a success, we'll probably get five good years out of him.

So who's gonna win more NFL games over that time period?

Put your ten pounders on the table and make a vote

Alex: 11 wins
Geno: 8 wins

GordonGekko · 08-14-2013, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

I get all of that and agree to an extent. On the other side, I don't know who else we could have acquired that would give us a better chance to win this year and next year with the nucleus of talent already present. I'm not a homer fool, but I think the possibility of Alex turning a corner with a new team and new coach is there. But like you said, lots of fans here are jaded with good reason and don't think that will happen. But hell, I'm gonna hang on to that hope and give Reid a shot with the guy he obviously thinks he can accomplish great things with.

This is the short-sighted question, who could we have gotten to of been as competitive right away if not Alex Smith? The answer is, no one, pretty much no one was going to make the Chiefs as competitive as they could be besides Alex Smith, so in this instance the Chiefs front office was correct.

The damning thing is, most Superbowl winning teams are winning those championships with Qb's they drafted and developed themselves. 12/15 previous Superbowl winning teams started Qb's in the game that they themselves developed from draft day to championship day (I'm counting Warner in this category as well). So the trend is definitely there, it's just that our front office likes to utilize 'band-aids' and not take the dive with an unknown Qb from the draft and just do their best developing them.

So, while the Chiefs front office can hope and pray that a Brees falls in their lap and gets the organization over the massive hump that is the 43 year drought, we will keep wallowing in mediocrity and watch other teams be victorious in February. Alex Smith is no ****ing Drew Brees, nowhere near that potential.

So there are some of us that want these changes to happen, and want a Qb drafted that the Chiefs have full intention of making a starter. Some love the 'band-aid' method (and while it works on occasion, the odds are against you with regards to the Lombardi).

**Mav** · 08-14-2013, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko

This is the short-sighted question, who could we have gotten to of been as competitive right away if not Alex Smith? The answer is, no one, pretty much no one was going to make the Chiefs as competitive as they could be besides Alex Smith, so in this instance the Chiefs front office was correct.

The damning thing is, most Superbowl winning teams are winning those championships with Qb's they drafted and developed themselves. 12/15 previous Superbowl winning teams started Qb's in the game that they themselves developed from draft day to championship day (I'm counting Warner in this category as well). So the trend is definitely there, it's just that our front office likes to utilize 'band-aids' and not take the dive with an unknown Qb from the draft and just do their best developing them.

So, while the Chiefs front office can hope and pray that a Brees falls in their lap and gets the organization over the massive hump that is the 43 year drought, we will keep wallowing in mediocrity and watch other teams be victorious in February. Alex Smith is no ****ing Drew Brees, nowhere near that potential.

So there are some of us that want these changes to happen, and want a Qb drafted that the Chiefs have full intention of making a starter. Some love the 'band-aid' method (and while it works on occasion, the odds are against you with regards to the Lombardi).

You are right about Alex not being Drew Brees.

But, his window to win a super bowl, is over. His 100 million dollar contract has led to them not being able to keep players that helped make that team a super bowl contender.

Where as Alex Smith, has a lot of talent around him. More so than I would say that is on the Saints at the moment.

Anything is possible.

lcarus · 08-14-2013, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko

This is the short-sighted question, who could we have gotten to of been as competitive right away if not Alex Smith? The answer is, no one, pretty much no one was going to make the Chiefs as competitive as they could be besides Alex Smith, so in this instance the Chiefs front office was correct.

The damning thing is, most Superbowl winning teams are winning those championships with Qb's they drafted and developed themselves. 12/15 previous Superbowl winning teams started Qb's in the game that they themselves developed from draft day to championship day (I'm counting Warner in this category as well). So the trend is definitely there, it's just that our front office likes to utilize 'band-aids' and not take the dive with an unknown Qb from the draft and just do their best developing them.

So, while the Chiefs front office can hope and pray that a Brees falls in their lap and gets the organization over the massive hump that is the 43 year drought, we will keep wallowing in mediocrity and watch other teams be victorious in February. Alex Smith is no ****ing Drew Brees, nowhere near that potential.

So there are some of us that want these changes to happen, and want a Qb drafted that the Chiefs have full intention of making a starter. Some love the 'band-aid' method (and while it works on occasion, the odds are against you with regards to the Lombardi).

Alex is no Brees, but maybe a Rich Gannon? I've always felt like this. Get your ****in bandaid, but draft someone in addition. But hey we got Bray. Who knows.

splatbass · 08-14-2013, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

No, no, no. He, like Sanchez, must be a starter from day one! God forbid he be taken at 1.1 over an ALL IMPORTANT Tackle, and put behind a clipboard in a small market like KC with a decent coaching staff!

But hey; we've got Chase Daniel!

VIVA LA AWESOME!

It would have been completely stupid to take him at 1.1 and our franchise, deservedly, would have been the laughing stock of the NFL if they had. No team even thought he was worth a first at all, much less 1.1.

**Mav** · 08-14-2013, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

Alex is no Brees, but maybe a Rich Gannon? I've always felt like this. Get your ****in bandaid, but draft someone in addition. But hey we got Bray. Who knows.

I think he can be very similar to Rich Gannon. Their skill sets, are almost identical.

GordonGekko · 08-14-2013, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

Alex is no Brees, but maybe a Rich Gannon? I've always felt like this. Get your ****in bandaid, but draft someone in addition. But hey we got Bray. Who knows.

He could be.

That's another thing, I feel like the Chiefs are deservingly cursed because we had one of the (potential) best Qb's in the NFL on our team (Gannon), and we chose some ex-49er biotch to start over him. We kind of deserve our penance because that was one of the worst moves in the history of the NFL.

I remember my dad being horrifically mad when they decided to start Grbac. It's like every fan knew the truth that Gannon was a king, except the people who mattered the most in this regard, management of the team.

And then they let Gannon go for not even a box of jelly doughnuts. What ****s.

lcarus · 08-14-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko

He could be.

That's another thing, I feel like the Chiefs are deservingly cursed because we had one of the (potential) best Qb's in the NFL on our team (Gannon), and we chose some ex-49er biotch to start over him. We kind of deserve our penance because that was one of the worst moves in the history of the NFL.

I remember my dad being horrifically mad when they decided to start Grbac. It's like every fan knew the truth that Gannon was a king, except the people who mattered the most in this regard, management of the team.

And then they let Gannon go for not even a box of jelly doughnuts. What ****s.

Yeah it was a ****in travesty. Then he goes to Oakland of all places. I've always harped that the Chiefs are usually the stupidest team in the league. Hoping that all changes now.

GordonGekko · 08-14-2013, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

...I've always harped that the Chiefs are usually the stupidest team in the league..

43 years since the last Superbowl appearance, the statistics are in your favor in this.

lcarus · 08-14-2013, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko

43 years since the last Superbowl appearance, the statistics are in your favor in this.

And its more than just dumbass front office moves. On the field too. DBs not turning their heads around, offsides on a 4th and 3 punt return formation. Celebrating a TD that was overturned excessively when it would have been 4th down...on MNF. Diving catches for 5 yard losses. Shit that amazes me.

Marcellus · 08-14-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs(exceptQB)

At least average.

I think he could be like Jay Cutler.

, your savior has a ceiling of average.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-14-2013, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That would have happened wherever he went.

He is NOT NFL ready.

So now that you've seen him struggle a bit and know that he is in probably the worst situation possible, you're ready to put your cash on the table and "bet for bust"?

You sir, are a pussy lips.

lcarus · 08-14-2013, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

, your savior has a ceiling of average.

A labotomized, emotionless douchecicle with a fist magnet for a face and a WMD for an arm?

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-14-2013, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

So now that you've seen him struggle a bit and know that he is in probably the worst situation possible, you're ready to put your cash on the table and "bet for bust"?

You sir, are a pussy lips.

I'm a "pussy lips", eh?

Mind explaining that one, Sport?

lcarus · 08-14-2013, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm a "pussy lips", eh?

Mind explaining that one, Sport?

He means like those wax pussy lips you used to get for Halloween.

Eleazar · 08-14-2013, 09:43 PM

Alex Smith has a better chance to ever win a Super Bowl than a 2nd round rookie who is going to spend his first few years with a dumpster fire of an organization. (not that ours is great either in recent years).

Smith isn't a Manning or a Brady of course, but he is the kind of guy who has shown he can play well on a team that is talented and otherwise ready to contend.

At this point in his career he is more or less an known quantity if he's healthy, which is not a great but an above average QB.

And before anybody says "Woohoo, true fan, happy with above average", I wasn't a fan of the compensation for him, but I think he was the best player of the available options this offseason. It's hard to argue that IMO

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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Alex Smith has a better chance to ever win a Super Bowl than a 2nd round rookie who is going to spend his first few years with a dumpster fire of an organization. (not that ours is great either in recent years). Smith isn't a Manning or a Brady of course, but he is the kind of guy who has shown he can play well on a team that is talented and otherwise ready to contend. At this point in his career he is more or less an known quantity if he's healthy, which is not a great but an above average QB. And before anybody says "Woohoo, true fan, happy with above average", I wasn't a fan of the compensation for him, but I think he was the best player of the available options this offseason. It's hard to argue that IMO
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