Chiefs What bothers you the most about this franchise? - Page 11

**Easy 6** · 01-22-2018, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjosh

I hate when people say that Clark isn't invested or doesn't care.

The guy has gone out and got the highest profile GM available, then when that failed he got the highest profile coach. After 4 straight winning seasons, he fired his GM because he was unhappy with the way certain aspects of the personnel department were working.

To say that Clark is "okay with mediocrity" is kind of a slap in his face. The guy is putting the money down and getting the guys to get this team where it needs to be.

I'm with you 90%, the other 10% goes to him not forcing Reids hand on Sutton, and other potential coaching changes

On the other hand, Clark isnt the football man... its REIDS job to know when a change is needed

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-22-2018, 01:26 PM

What bothers me most? Ownership.

Lamar Hunt founded the AFL and hired a brilliant mind in Hank Stram. The Chiefs appeared in the first Super Bowl and won the 4th Super Bowl. But it seems like winning that Super Bowl mellowed Hunt's passion for a winner.

He fired Hank Stram, allowed the roster to become old and hired two uninspired head coaches in Paul Wiggin and Tom Bettis. He finally decided to go back to his roots and hire Marv Levy, he fired him just as he was turning the team around (and admitted later that it was his biggest mistake). He allowed a young Bill Polian to leave the front office but at least hired another young, innovative coach in John Mackovic, drafted a QB, only to fire Mackovic after the Chiefs first playoff appearance in 15 years.

After the brief Frank Gansz debacle, in which Nick Lowery led a player revolt, Hunt began to "Play It Safe", first by hiring Carl Peterson, then Marty Schottenheimer. The next 15 years, the Chiefs "played it safe" by hiring Gunther Cunningham, Dick Vermiel, Herm Edwards, Romeo Crennel and Andy Reid. Todd Haley was the only "inspired" hire but anyone with a ****ing brain could see from his time in Arizona that he was a ticking time bomb and in no way, shape or form had the mental makeup to be a head coach.

So, as the Chiefs traded for yet another veteran QB, while watching former coaches reach the Super Bowl (Cowher was the first, now Pederson), the franchise is a mess, the roster, even after 5 full years of Reid and Dorsey, is chock full of holes, leaving overpaid and old veterans with more than $80 million in Dead Cap money accrued during Dorsey's tenure, the Chiefs are at a standstill, once again.

With a Playoff Franchise Record of 9-18, 4 losses of which have come during Andy Reid's tenure, this team is once again stuck in neutral and has nowhere near a championship level defense in order to make a serious Super Bowl Run.

I have zero hope and zero expectations that any of that changes in the next 5 years and based on the last 50, it'll likely never, ever change.

crayzkirk · 01-23-2018, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What bothers me most? Ownership.

Lamar Hunt founded the AFL and hired a brilliant mind in Hank Stram. The Chiefs appeared in the first Super Bowl and won the 4th Super Bowl. But it seems like winning that Super Bowl mellowed Hunt's passion for a winner.

He fired Hank Stram, allowed the roster to become old and hired two uninspired head coaches in Paul Wiggin and Tom Bettis. He finally decided to go back to his roots and hire Marv Levy, he fired him just as he was turning the team around (and admitted later that it was his biggest mistake). He allowed a young Bill Polian to leave the front office but at least hired another young, innovative coach in John Mackovic, drafted a QB, only to fire Mackovic after the Chiefs first playoff appearance in 15 years.

After the brief Frank Gansz debacle, in which Nick Lowery led a player revolt, Hunt began to "Play It Safe", first by hiring Carl Peterson, then Marty Schottenheimer. The next 15 years, the Chiefs "played it safe" by hiring Gunther Cunningham, Dick Vermiel, Herm Edwards, Romeo Crennel and Andy Reid. Todd Haley was the only "inspired" hire but anyone with a ****ing brain could see from his time in Arizona that he was a ticking time bomb and in no way, shape or form had the mental makeup to be a head coach.

So, as the Chiefs traded for yet another veteran QB, while watching former coaches reach the Super Bowl (Cowher was the first, now Pederson), the franchise is a mess, the roster, even after 5 full years of Reid and Dorsey, is chock full of holes, leaving overpaid and old veterans with more than $80 million in Dead Cap money accrued during Dorsey's tenure, the Chiefs are at a standstill, once again.

With a Playoff Franchise Record of 9-18, 4 losses of which have come during Andy Reid's tenure, this team is once again stuck in neutral and has nowhere near a championship level defense in order to make a serious Super Bowl Run.

I have zero hope and zero expectations that any of that changes in the next 5 years and based on the last 50, it'll likely never, ever change.

^^^ This completely ^^^

Now, I'm just depressed about the Chiefs...

**ChiTown** · 01-23-2018, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What bothers me most? Ownership.

Lamar Hunt founded the AFL and hired a brilliant mind in Hank Stram. The Chiefs appeared in the first Super Bowl and won the 4th Super Bowl. But it seems like winning that Super Bowl mellowed Hunt's passion for a winner.

He fired Hank Stram, allowed the roster to become old and hired two uninspired head coaches in Paul Wiggin and Tom Bettis. He finally decided to go back to his roots and hire Marv Levy, he fired him just as he was turning the team around (and admitted later that it was his biggest mistake). He allowed a young Bill Polian to leave the front office but at least hired another young, innovative coach in John Mackovic, drafted a QB, only to fire Mackovic after the Chiefs first playoff appearance in 15 years.

After the brief Frank Gansz debacle, in which Nick Lowery led a player revolt, Hunt began to "Play It Safe", first by hiring Carl Peterson, then Marty Schottenheimer. The next 15 years, the Chiefs "played it safe" by hiring Gunther Cunningham, Dick Vermiel, Herm Edwards, Romeo Crennel and Andy Reid. Todd Haley was the only "inspired" hire but anyone with a ****ing brain could see from his time in Arizona that he was a ticking time bomb and in no way, shape or form had the mental makeup to be a head coach.

So, as the Chiefs traded for yet another veteran QB, while watching former coaches reach the Super Bowl (Cowher was the first, now Pederson), the franchise is a mess, the roster, even after 5 full years of Reid and Dorsey, is chock full of holes, leaving overpaid and old veterans with more than $80 million in Dead Cap money accrued during Dorsey's tenure, the Chiefs are at a standstill, once again.

With a Playoff Franchise Record of 9-18, 4 losses of which have come during Andy Reid's tenure, this team is once again stuck in neutral and has nowhere near a championship level defense in order to make a serious Super Bowl Run.

I have zero hope and zero expectations that any of that changes in the next 5 years and based on the last 50, it'll likely never, ever change.

It's like you just mind raped me.

rico · 01-23-2018, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What bothers me most? Ownership.

Lamar Hunt founded the AFL and hired a brilliant mind in Hank Stram. The Chiefs appeared in the first Super Bowl and won the 4th Super Bowl. But it seems like winning that Super Bowl mellowed Hunt's passion for a winner.

He fired Hank Stram, allowed the roster to become old and hired two uninspired head coaches in Paul Wiggin and Tom Bettis. He finally decided to go back to his roots and hire Marv Levy, he fired him just as he was turning the team around (and admitted later that it was his biggest mistake). He allowed a young Bill Polian to leave the front office but at least hired another young, innovative coach in John Mackovic, drafted a QB, only to fire Mackovic after the Chiefs first playoff appearance in 15 years.

After the brief Frank Gansz debacle, in which Nick Lowery led a player revolt, Hunt began to "Play It Safe", first by hiring Carl Peterson, then Marty Schottenheimer. The next 15 years, the Chiefs "played it safe" by hiring Gunther Cunningham, Dick Vermiel, Herm Edwards, Romeo Crennel and Andy Reid. Todd Haley was the only "inspired" hire but anyone with a ****ing brain could see from his time in Arizona that he was a ticking time bomb and in no way, shape or form had the mental makeup to be a head coach.

So, as the Chiefs traded for yet another veteran QB, while watching former coaches reach the Super Bowl (Cowher was the first, now Pederson), the franchise is a mess, the roster, even after 5 full years of Reid and Dorsey, is chock full of holes, leaving overpaid and old veterans with more than $80 million in Dead Cap money accrued during Dorsey's tenure, the Chiefs are at a standstill, once again.

With a Playoff Franchise Record of 9-18, 4 losses of which have come during Andy Reid's tenure, this team is once again stuck in neutral and has nowhere near a championship level defense in order to make a serious Super Bowl Run.

I have zero hope and zero expectations that any of that changes in the next 5 years and based on the last 50, it'll likely never, ever change.

"Dammit, Danie....Why do you gotta get all smart on us?!?!"

RunKC · 01-23-2018, 03:27 PM

You guys don’t see a trend? Okay coaches have left here and had success. What was the difference?

Bill Cowher-Ben Roethlisberger
Tony Dungy-Peyton Manning
Mike McCarthy-Aaron Rodgers
Marv Levy-Jim Kelly
Doug Pederson-Carson Wentz

You see the big picture now? The biggest problem by this franchise was solved last year when they finally did what was needed to be done.

Every playoff game we’ve lost (aside from the most recent) was because we didn’t have the better QB. It’s no damn secret that the only time we had any consistent playoff success since 1970 was when Joe Montana was leading us.

**Ragged Robin** · 01-23-2018, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What bothers me most? Ownership.

Lamar Hunt founded the AFL and hired a brilliant mind in Hank Stram. The Chiefs appeared in the first Super Bowl and won the 4th Super Bowl. But it seems like winning that Super Bowl mellowed Hunt's passion for a winner.

He fired Hank Stram, allowed the roster to become old and hired two uninspired head coaches in Paul Wiggin and Tom Bettis. He finally decided to go back to his roots and hire Marv Levy, he fired him just as he was turning the team around (and admitted later that it was his biggest mistake). He allowed a young Bill Polian to leave the front office but at least hired another young, innovative coach in John Mackovic, drafted a QB, only to fire Mackovic after the Chiefs first playoff appearance in 15 years.

After the brief Frank Gansz debacle, in which Nick Lowery led a player revolt, Hunt began to "Play It Safe", first by hiring Carl Peterson, then Marty Schottenheimer. The next 15 years, the Chiefs "played it safe" by hiring Gunther Cunningham, Dick Vermiel, Herm Edwards, Romeo Crennel and Andy Reid. Todd Haley was the only "inspired" hire but anyone with a ****ing brain could see from his time in Arizona that he was a ticking time bomb and in no way, shape or form had the mental makeup to be a head coach.

So, as the Chiefs traded for yet another veteran QB, while watching former coaches reach the Super Bowl (Cowher was the first, now Pederson), the franchise is a mess, the roster, even after 5 full years of Reid and Dorsey, is chock full of holes, leaving overpaid and old veterans with more than $80 million in Dead Cap money accrued during Dorsey's tenure, the Chiefs are at a standstill, once again.

With a Playoff Franchise Record of 9-18, 4 losses of which have come during Andy Reid's tenure, this team is once again stuck in neutral and has nowhere near a championship level defense in order to make a serious Super Bowl Run.

I have zero hope and zero expectations that any of that changes in the next 5 years and based on the last 50, it'll likely never, ever change.

but i thought Mahomes made us an instant SB contendor

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Originally Posted by RunKC

You guys don’t see a trend? Okay coaches have left here and had success. What was the difference?

Bill Cowher-Ben Roethlisberger
Tony Dungy-Peyton Manning
Mike McCarthy-Aaron Rodgers
Marv Levy-Jim Kelly
Doug Pederson-Carson Wentz

You see the big picture now? The biggest problem by this franchise was solved last year when they finally did what was needed to be done.

Every playoff game we’ve lost (aside from the most recent) was because we didn’t have the better QB. It’s no damn secret that the only time we had any consistent playoff success since 1970 was when Joe Montana was leading us.

this list kind of works against you as Manning has a totally shit post season record (especially with the Colts), Kelly has a totally shit SB record, Wentz's backup is leading the team and is putting up the same numbers

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-23-2018, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

but i thought Mahomes made us an instant SB contendor

An Alex Only Fans referring to the Chiefs organization as "us"

RunKC · 01-22-2018, 01:45 PM

Damn Dane that’s pretty scathing, although it’s easy to admit that the Chiefs were a tire fire in the 70’s and 80’s.

In the last 32 years, this has been the AFC rep in the SB:

John Elway 5X
Boomer Esiason
Jim Kelly 4X
Stan Humphries
Neil O’Donnell
Drew Bledsoe
Steve McNair
Trent Dilfer
Rich Gannon
Tom Brady 8X
Joe Flacco
Peyton Manning 4X
Big Ben 3X

It’s a QB league, and hopefully we finally have ours. We’ve proven we have a good enough team many times before, including last season.

Leagues are dominated by special QB’s that have been guided by good coaches/GM’s.

I really do believe that if Pat is that guy, we could have a shot after the Brady dynasty.

Eleazar · 01-22-2018, 01:46 PM

Ownership complacency

As I posted in another thread, New England has an engaged owner who is passionate about the team and has made two head coaching hires, both of whom went on to win Super Bowls later (though one with another team).

Carroll was making postseason appearances but the team had regressed and Kraft wasn't satisfied with playoff appearances. He made a great hire in Belichick and it lead to two decades of success.

The Chiefs are the Chiefs because over the last 50 years, the Hunts have never made a hire like that.

Coochie liquor · 01-22-2018, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar

Ownership complacency

As I posted in another thread, New England has an engaged owner who is passionate about the team and has made two head coaching hires, both of whom went on to win Super Bowls later (though one with another team).

Carroll was making postseason appearances but the team had regressed and Kraft wasn't satisfied with playoff appearances. He made a great hire in Belichick and it lead to two decades of success.

The Chiefs are the Chiefs because over the last 50 years, the Hunts have never made a hire like that.

I think you spelled Tom Brady wrong...

Eleazar · 01-23-2018, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

I think you spelled Tom Brady wrong...

Who was it that developed a 6th round pick into a GOAT?

gold_and_red · 01-22-2018, 02:31 PM

What bothers me most? The fact that tens of thousands of fans showed up at Arrowhead stadium for a playoff game. Stop supporting pathetic results.

Dayze · 01-22-2018, 02:52 PM

I think the fact that the Chiefs will never go to a Super Bowl is what bothers me the most.

ChiefsCountry · 01-22-2018, 03:08 PM

OL is fine. Alex Smith makes it look like dog shit. The defense needs more talent. Blowing up the coaching staff is way over the top. Getting rid of Alex Smith and adding some new pieces to the defense will help.

01-22-2018, 01:26 PM	#2
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	What bothers me most? Ownership. Lamar Hunt founded the AFL and hired a brilliant mind in Hank Stram. The Chiefs appeared in the first Super Bowl and won the 4th Super Bowl. But it seems like winning that Super Bowl mellowed Hunt's passion for a winner. He fired Hank Stram, allowed the roster to become old and hired two uninspired head coaches in Paul Wiggin and Tom Bettis. He finally decided to go back to his roots and hire Marv Levy, he fired him just as he was turning the team around (and admitted later that it was his biggest mistake). He allowed a young Bill Polian to leave the front office but at least hired another young, innovative coach in John Mackovic, drafted a QB, only to fire Mackovic after the Chiefs first playoff appearance in 15 years. After the brief Frank Gansz debacle, in which Nick Lowery led a player revolt, Hunt began to "Play It Safe", first by hiring Carl Peterson, then Marty Schottenheimer. The next 15 years, the Chiefs "played it safe" by hiring Gunther Cunningham, Dick Vermiel, Herm Edwards, Romeo Crennel and Andy Reid. Todd Haley was the only "inspired" hire but anyone with a ****ing brain could see from his time in Arizona that he was a ticking time bomb and in no way, shape or form had the mental makeup to be a head coach. So, as the Chiefs traded for yet another veteran QB, while watching former coaches reach the Super Bowl (Cowher was the first, now Pederson), the franchise is a mess, the roster, even after 5 full years of Reid and Dorsey, is chock full of holes, leaving overpaid and old veterans with more than $80 million in Dead Cap money accrued during Dorsey's tenure, the Chiefs are at a standstill, once again. With a Playoff Franchise Record of 9-18, 4 losses of which have come during Andy Reid's tenure, this team is once again stuck in neutral and has nowhere near a championship level defense in order to make a serious Super Bowl Run. I have zero hope and zero expectations that any of that changes in the next 5 years and based on the last 50, it'll likely never, ever change.
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01-23-2018, 03:27 PM	#6
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2039611	You guys don’t see a trend? Okay coaches have left here and had success. What was the difference? Bill Cowher-Ben Roethlisberger Tony Dungy-Peyton Manning Mike McCarthy-Aaron Rodgers Marv Levy-Jim Kelly Doug Pederson-Carson Wentz You see the big picture now? The biggest problem by this franchise was solved last year when they finally did what was needed to be done. Every playoff game we’ve lost (aside from the most recent) was because we didn’t have the better QB. It’s no damn secret that the only time we had any consistent playoff success since 1970 was when Joe Montana was leading us. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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01-22-2018, 01:45 PM	#9
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2039611	Damn Dane that’s pretty scathing, although it’s easy to admit that the Chiefs were a tire fire in the 70’s and 80’s. In the last 32 years, this has been the AFC rep in the SB: John Elway 5X Boomer Esiason Jim Kelly 4X Stan Humphries Neil O’Donnell Drew Bledsoe Steve McNair Trent Dilfer Rich Gannon Tom Brady 8X Joe Flacco Peyton Manning 4X Big Ben 3X It’s a QB league, and hopefully we finally have ours. We’ve proven we have a good enough team many times before, including last season. Leagues are dominated by special QB’s that have been guided by good coaches/GM’s. I really do believe that if Pat is that guy, we could have a shot after the Brady dynasty. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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01-22-2018, 01:46 PM	#10
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Ownership complacency As I posted in another thread, New England has an engaged owner who is passionate about the team and has made two head coaching hires, both of whom went on to win Super Bowls later (though one with another team). Carroll was making postseason appearances but the team had regressed and Kraft wasn't satisfied with playoff appearances. He made a great hire in Belichick and it lead to two decades of success. The Chiefs are the Chiefs because over the last 50 years, the Hunts have never made a hire like that.
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gold_and_red Veteran Join Date: Nov 2011 Casino cash: $9915412	What bothers me most? The fact that tens of thousands of fans showed up at Arrowhead stadium for a playoff game. Stop supporting pathetic results.
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Dayze Resident Glue Sniffer Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $4989358	I think the fact that the Chiefs will never go to a Super Bowl is what bothers me the most. __________________ Life is 99% inspiration, 1% Perspiration, and 1% Attention to Detial. RIP & Godspeed: Saccoppo Lonewolf Ed Fire Me Boy
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ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $2108752	OL is fine. Alex Smith makes it look like dog shit. The defense needs more talent. Blowing up the coaching staff is way over the top. Getting rid of Alex Smith and adding some new pieces to the defense will help.
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