Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 98

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

**Easy 6** · 10-31-2018, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Berry would have to be practicing by next week in order for him to play in Mexico City. I'd guess there's almost 0% chance of that happening.

Incorrect, he can practice on Cardinals week and then play limited snaps in MC

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Nah bring him back to get ready for January. That’s when we’ll need him.

Cant just throw him out there for the playoffs, he needs gametime to not only shake off the rust... but gel with all the new faces

Otter · 10-31-2018, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

What? I mean you can make a list of UDFA's who ended up being good but its irrelevant. We have other guys who are on the roster like Ward who never see the field.

Its a ridiculously weak argument.

Just put this in your head: Eric Berry hasn't played for over a year. A full year. Almost going on 2 seasons.

Women give birth and get 12 weeks maternity leave before the have to show up for work again.

And again, you're white knighting him like I'm saying kick him off the team as opposed to just give someone a shot until he can play.

You must have loved Steve Bono.

Marcellus · 10-31-2018, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Incorrect, he can practice on Cardinals week and then play limited snaps in MC

Cant just throw him out there for the playoffs, he needs gametime to not only shake off the rust... but gel with all the new faces

I'm just guessing but I'm thinking he starts practicing after Arizona and starts playing after the bye week. 6 games to end the regular season 3 games in the playoffs.

Sassy Squatch · 10-31-2018, 03:34 PM

Regardless of what he does or doesn't do for us this year, get rid of him at the earliest moment it is feasibly possible. An NFL player that needs constant coddling because of "pain management" is ****ing worthless.

Dante84 · 10-31-2018, 03:35 PM

I'd honestly be fine letting him suit up for the Rams, Ravens and Chargers, sitting him the others until the playoffs.

**Easy 6** · 10-31-2018, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I'm just guessing but I'm thinking he starts practicing after Arizona and starts playing after the bye week. 6 games to end the regular season 3 games in the playoffs.

That'd be fine, I suppose...

So long as the idea isnt to suddenly throw him out there in the playoffs

Marcellus · 10-31-2018, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter

Just put this in your head: Eric Berry hasn't played for over a year. A full year. Almost going on 2 seasons.

Women give birth and get 12 maternity leave.

And again, you're white knighting him like I'm saying kick him off the team as opposed to just give someone a shot until he can play.

You must have loved Steve Bono.

Give me all the shit you want, but a couple things for sure- nobody around here knows what white knighting actually means apparently, and you are seriously comparing Steve Bono to Eric Berry?

3rd thing, if he goes on IR now either he cant come back or we don't get Watts back.

The reality of the situation is this, we are lucky he didn't start the season on IR because it still gave us 2 IR designated to return spots to use during the season and we are going to be using both of those. ON SAFETIES. So Berry not being placed on IR is actually going to help long term, assuming he plays this season which you should assume since he is in fact NOT on IR.

**BossChief** · 10-31-2018, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Regardless of what he does or doesn't do for us this year, get rid of him at the earliest moment it is feasibly possible. An NFL player that needs constant coddling because of "pain management" is ****ing worthless.

Kill yourself

Kiimo · 10-31-2018, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter

Just put this in your head: Eric Berry hasn't played for over a year. A full year. Almost going on 2 seasons.

Women give birth and get 12 weeks maternity leave before the have to show up for work again.

And again, you're white knighting him like I'm saying kick him off the team as opposed to just give someone a shot until he can play.

You must have loved Steve Bono.

Look I'm not trying to make you mad but your argument just doesn't make any sense. You don't have to IR Berry to give someone else a shot. Lucas is getting a shot right now without Berry going to IR. Putting Berry on IR accomplishes nothing but adding an extra scrub to the roster

PAChiefsGuy · 10-31-2018, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by In58men

Do you honestly think he would really do that to the Chiefs? The entire organization stood behind Berry through his cancer situation, why would he be disgruntled again?

OKChiefs is just a whiny bitch...

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Regardless of what he does or doesn't do for us this year, get rid of him at the earliest moment it is feasibly possible. An NFL player that needs constant coddling because of "pain management" is ****ing worthless.

Spoken like a dude who has never had a serious injury his whole life much less beaten cancer like Eric Berry has.

Stick to talking about your cozy desk job and not football keyboard warrior.. You obviously have no idea how bad pain can be due to an injury from a sport.

**BossChief** · 10-31-2018, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Give me all the shit you want, but a couple things for sure- nobody around here knows what white knighting actually means apparently, and you are seriously comparing Steve Bono to Eric Berry?

3rd thing, if he goes on IR now either he cant come back or we don't get Watts back.

The reality of the situation is this, we are lucky he didn't start the season on IR because it still gave us 2 IR designated to return spots to use during the season and we are going to be using both of those. ON SAFETIES. So Berry not being placed on IR is actually going to help long term, assuming he plays this season which you should assume since he is in fact NOT on IR.

Clark Hunt said Eric is really close to returning. Eric is like family to Clark. I’d almost be willing to bet $ he’s back after the bye week.

Otter · 10-31-2018, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

3rd thing, if he goes on IR now either he cant come back or we don't get Watts back.

Thank you for correcting me. I was wrong.

There's a thing called Google if you need to look up "white knighting". I just used it to look up "NFL IR PLAYER RETURN".

Don't use consonants in a search term. They'll just be ignored by the search engine.

OKchiefs · 10-31-2018, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Kill yourself

Do you speak to people that way in real life?

OKchiefs · 10-31-2018, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

OKChiefs is just a whiny bitch...

You would literally jump at the chance to suck Alex Smith's dick. Go over to the Redskins board, it should be a positive move for you since they're so much closer.

Otter · 10-31-2018, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Look I'm not trying to make you mad but your argument just doesn't make any sense. You don't have to IR Berry to give someone else a shot. Lucas is getting a shot right now without Berry going to IR. Putting Berry on IR accomplishes nothing but adding an extra scrub to the roster

This is where we're not seeing eye to eye.

What has Berry accomplished in almost 2 seasons?

A scrub might actually work out in a surprise way as opposed to a $75 million dollar card board cutout.

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1636899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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