Chiefs Best draft picks by Round - Round 1 - Page 9

**Rain Man** · 05:06 PM

I'll switch this up a little. Before posting my top 10 list, I'll start from the bottom, revealing in reverse order all 56 of the Chiefs' 1st round picks over the years. Then I'll put the top ten in this OP and put up the poll.

Feel free to share your memories, happiness, or disgust at each pick. I'll post one whenever I'm slightly bored.

#1 Buck Buchanan, DT
#2 Tony Gonzalez, TE
#3 Derrick Thomas, ROLB
#4 Ed Budde, LG
#5 Eric Berry, SS
#6 Gary Green, CB
#7 Derrick Johnson, ILB, OLB
#8 Art Still, DE
#9 E.J. Holub, OLB/C
#10 Tamba Hali, OLB/DE

rico · 07-12-2017, 07:38 PM

Keep it up, Rain Man...I'm very thankful that you are taking the time to do this for the guys who are reading and enjoying this thread. Good stuff, man.

stumppy · 07-12-2017, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rico

Keep it up, Rain Man...I'm very thankful that you are taking the time to do this for the guys who are reading and enjoying this thread. Good stuff, man.

I'll second that. I really appreciate it ! Especially here at the end of the football drought.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-12-2017, 10:40 PM

2014 is too soon to rank.

How would you rank Tamba Hali after 2008?

Derrick Johnson after 2007?

**Rain Man** · 07-13-2017, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

2014 is too soon to rank.

How would you rank Tamba Hali after 2008?

Derrick Johnson after 2007?

But I have no choice. He's a 1st round pick. I must complete my mission.

**Rain Man** · 07-13-2017, 06:30 PM

#29. Glenn Dorsey, DT, 2008. 5th pick.

See Tyson Jackson's entry at #32.

Dorsey is Jackson, Jackson is Dorsey. Probably the only difference is that everyone was thrilled to draft Dorsey at #5 and everyone was shocked to draft Jackson at #3.

He certainly didn't meet our high hopes for him, but viewed in context we could have done a lot worse. The next three picks off the board that year were Vernon Gholston, Sedrick Ellis, and Derrick Harvey. Next to that, Dorsey's 65 starts, 159 tackles, and 4 sacks isn't that bad.

He came in, started from Day One, and if nothing else he was reliable. He only missed three games during his first four years, and got moved from a 4-3 DT spot to a 3-4 DE spot during that time. But in 2012 he hurt his calf, missed a ton of games, and got put in IR, never to return. His career was summed up by this media note from The Sporting News: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news...lenn-dorsey-je

The Chiefs lost defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey and left guard Jeff Allen to injuries in Thursday night’s 31-13 loss to San Diego. It was unclear how long either player would be out but the Chiefs can probably plan on playing their next game on Nov. 12 against the Steelers without either player.

The loss of Dorsey, who reinjured a calf muscle, will be felt mostly on the depth chart. His replacement, Ropati Pitoitua, was more productive than Dorsey in the four games the Chiefs played without him.

Dorsey is an average run player who comes out of the lineup in obvious passing situations.

Yep, that's about it. An average run player who comes out on passing downs and isn't as productive as Ropati Pitoitua. You don't really want that written on your tombstone.

He moved on to San Francisco, and he typically plays about half the season every year due to injuries, averaging 9 starts per year for the 49ers. So we got his best years.

I mentioned earlier that we have 56 picks, and I would classify the third quarter (#29 through #42) as 'disappointing but not busts'. Dorsey almost makes it out of the 'disappointing' quadrant, because he gave the Chiefs a little more than four years of play. That's better than a lot of first-round picks, so mathematically he falls right at the average, but I'd think we'd all have a hard time not labeling him as disappointing.

And did anyone else think he was smaller than advertised? He had Kendrell Bell disease, where his stats list a certain height and weight and then you see him on the field and say 'no way.'

Here are pictures of his cars, just so you can leave this post feeling like he spent your ticket money wisely.

**jjchieffan** · 07-13-2017, 07:29 PM

Sorry RainMan. But I have to disagree with you putting Ford below Dorsey. Last season for Ford was better than any season that Dorsey ever had.

**Rain Man** · 07-13-2017, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Sorry RainMan. But I have to disagree with you putting Ford below Dorsey. Last season for Ford was better than any season that Dorsey ever had.

Yeah, I was really torn about that. I really wanted to put Ford above Dorsey, but couldn't move beyond Dorsey's much larger number of starts. I'm also discounting for Ford potentially becoming a free agent at some point.

But yeah, Ford's best season is higher than Dorsey's best season, I agree. I could go either way.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-13-2017, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

But I have no choice. He's a 1st round pick. I must complete my mission.

Personally, I feel that you should end at 2012.

Fisher, Ford and Peters are far from the end of their careers.

**Rain Man** · 07-13-2017, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Personally, I feel that you should end at 2012.

Fisher, Ford and Peters are far from the end of their careers.

One can certainly make an argument for this. However, my die is cast.

According to my initial ranking metric, Marcus Peters is already in the top half of the list after only two years. That's what I call a successful draft pick.

Halfcan · 07-14-2017, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

One can certainly make an argument for this. However, my die is cast.

According to my initial ranking metric, Marcus Peters is already in the top half of the list after only two years. That's what I call a successful draft pick.

It is your thread, so do it how you want. I think you are doing a fine job ranking these picks. Very informative analysis.

BlackOp · 07-14-2017, 11:11 AM

Nice thread...and you're a good writer.

Ford was a better pick than Dorsey...considering Glenn was a #5 overall selection. Dee had 10 sacks last year. I cant recall Dorsey making a single impact play..he was like a phantom pick.

In fairness he was a 4-3 DT playing in the wrong scheme...but was pegged as the next Warren Sapp.

It gets overlooked... but Hali's transition to a 3-4 OLB was impressive. A lot of guys cant pull it off...

Quesadilla Joe · 07-14-2017, 11:15 AM

On Dee Ford...

2015: Beats nobody
2016: Beats bad players
2017: Beats good players too? https://t.co/0PVVc7tZEK
— Sam Monson (@PFF_Sam) July 12, 2017

BlackOp · 07-14-2017, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

On Dee Ford...

2015: Beats nobody
2016: Beats bad players
2017: Beats good players too? https://t.co/0PVVc7tZEK
— Sam Monson (@PFF_Sam) July 12, 2017

10 sacks is 10 sacks...if it were easy, everybody would be getting them.

**Rain Man** · 07-14-2017, 11:34 AM

I'll concede Dorsey for Ford. It's good for morale, too.

Quesadilla Joe · 07-14-2017, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

10 sacks is 10 sacks...if it were easy, everybody would be getting them.

Lorenzo Alexander and Erik Walden had 10+ sacks last year too...

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Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $2828491 VARSITY	Best draft picks by Round - Round 1 I'll switch this up a little. Before posting my top 10 list, I'll start from the bottom, revealing in reverse order all 56 of the Chiefs' 1st round picks over the years. Then I'll put the top ten in this OP and put up the poll. Feel free to share your memories, happiness, or disgust at each pick. I'll post one whenever I'm slightly bored. #1 Buck Buchanan, DT #2 Tony Gonzalez, TE #3 Derrick Thomas, ROLB #4 Ed Budde, LG #5 Eric Berry, SS #6 Gary Green, CB #7 Derrick Johnson, ILB, OLB #8 Art Still, DE #9 E.J. Holub, OLB/C #10 Tamba Hali, OLB/DE Last edited by Rain Man; 12-24-2017 at 05:06 PM..
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Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $2828491 VARSITY	#29. Glenn Dorsey, DT, 2008. 5th pick. See Tyson Jackson's entry at #32. Dorsey is Jackson, Jackson is Dorsey. Probably the only difference is that everyone was thrilled to draft Dorsey at #5 and everyone was shocked to draft Jackson at #3. He certainly didn't meet our high hopes for him, but viewed in context we could have done a lot worse. The next three picks off the board that year were Vernon Gholston, Sedrick Ellis, and Derrick Harvey. Next to that, Dorsey's 65 starts, 159 tackles, and 4 sacks isn't that bad. He came in, started from Day One, and if nothing else he was reliable. He only missed three games during his first four years, and got moved from a 4-3 DT spot to a 3-4 DE spot during that time. But in 2012 he hurt his calf, missed a ton of games, and got put in IR, never to return. His career was summed up by this media note from The Sporting News: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news...lenn-dorsey-je The Chiefs lost defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey and left guard Jeff Allen to injuries in Thursday night’s 31-13 loss to San Diego. It was unclear how long either player would be out but the Chiefs can probably plan on playing their next game on Nov. 12 against the Steelers without either player. The loss of Dorsey, who reinjured a calf muscle, will be felt mostly on the depth chart. His replacement, Ropati Pitoitua, was more productive than Dorsey in the four games the Chiefs played without him. Dorsey is an average run player who comes out of the lineup in obvious passing situations. Yep, that's about it. An average run player who comes out on passing downs and isn't as productive as Ropati Pitoitua. You don't really want that written on your tombstone. He moved on to San Francisco, and he typically plays about half the season every year due to injuries, averaging 9 starts per year for the 49ers. So we got his best years. I mentioned earlier that we have 56 picks, and I would classify the third quarter (#29 through #42) as 'disappointing but not busts'. Dorsey almost makes it out of the 'disappointing' quadrant, because he gave the Chiefs a little more than four years of play. That's better than a lot of first-round picks, so mathematically he falls right at the average, but I'd think we'd all have a hard time not labeling him as disappointing. And did anyone else think he was smaller than advertised? He had Kendrell Bell disease, where his stats list a certain height and weight and then you see him on the field and say 'no way.' Here are pictures of his cars, just so you can leave this post feeling like he spent your ticket money wisely. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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07-14-2017, 11:11 AM	#131
BlackOp MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $5845267	Nice thread...and you're a good writer. Ford was a better pick than Dorsey...considering Glenn was a #5 overall selection. Dee had 10 sacks last year. I cant recall Dorsey making a single impact play..he was like a phantom pick. In fairness he was a 4-3 DT playing in the wrong scheme...but was pegged as the next Warren Sapp. It gets overlooked... but Hali's transition to a 3-4 OLB was impressive. A lot of guys cant pull it off... Last edited by BlackOp; 07-14-2017 at 11:16 AM..
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07-14-2017, 11:34 AM	#134
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $2828491 VARSITY	I'll concede Dorsey for Ford. It's good for morale, too. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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