Football ESPN Outside the Lines Report: Goodell went easy on Spygate - Page 9

**Buehler445** · 09-08-2015, 09:15 AM

It's been all over ESPN Radio all morning. Report says that Goodell threw the book at Brady because he gave them a break on Spygate.

I didn't hear it all, but they alleged that the NFL destroyed evidence because they videoed a shitton of practices and Goodell wanted to limit the exposure to a few games. They said that Belichick even admitted to doing like 40 games but Goodell covered it up.

A couple other points that were brought up that were interesting was that Martz came out and said Goodell asked him to put out a statement saying he was satisfied with the investigation for the good of the league and he is absolutely not.

Also, the reporter said that former Pat players admitted to the Pats sending a low level guy to the other lockerroom while they were warming up to steal the scripted plays that most teams start with.

I haven't seen the piece, but a lot of the things this reporter spouted off were pretty damning. Usually OTL is pretty good, but this had a lot of conspiracy theory tone to it.

Has anyone read it?

Amnorix · 09-09-2015, 05:57 AM

This is all pretty amazing. You read the articles, and you get:

1. Spygate, again.

2. Random crap like warm gatorade (really?)

3. the ability of the Patriots sideline (but not the opponent's sideline) to see the TV screen at CBS SCene. The implication is that this could help watch replays and determine challenges, or something. Except (1) it's not true, and (2) coaches in the booth are also watching the TV. So it's false, and even if true would not likely be an advantage anyway.

4. Belichick somehow secretly knows about who missed the opposing team's flight on Saturday night. Yeah, duh, because it's league-wide reported information.

5. Bugging opposing locker rooms, etc. etc. Five separate sweeps for bugs by other teams, never found a thing. Probably because BB is in their heads, rather than has bugs in their room.

6. Stealing playsheets. This is to me a pretty serious allegation. Except if it was so widely known that teams left fake playsheets around, why not leave a hidden camera recording to catch someone, or a hidden security guard, or a guy standing at the door. Or have a guy go around before people leave the locker room for warmups and pick up any extra playsheets. It seems preposterous because it'd be so easy to prevent, and/or to catch them doing it.

7. Other suspicions regarding spies here there and everywhere. Yet every time they look, they don't find anything. Either Belichick is not only a football mastermind, but also a superspy genius, or he's just in their heads in a massive way.

8. Malfunctioning headphone equipment. I have no answer to this, except I do know it has happened to the Patriots also, and to other teams.

But ultimately it's Spygate plus a bunch of rumors with no evidence in support.

Bewbies · 09-09-2015, 06:26 AM

When reading the part about people thinking the Pats having bugged them, I recall a coach in KC who thought the same thing of Pioli....

**Iowanian** · 09-09-2015, 08:15 AM

The Patriots are the Bruce Jenner of the NFL.

They used to be pretty good, but we're finding out that they're a nutless attention whore.

Tombstone RJ · 09-09-2015, 08:48 AM

I'm just gonna leave this here:

GoChargers · 09-09-2015, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

FIFY

**morphius** · 09-09-2015, 09:34 AM

Sadly, with all the leaking and attempting trashing Goodell did before sentencing Brady I have trouble believing anything coming from his office. Also, why take it out on Brady if the coaching staff and the team are the ones you want to punish? I guess I'll have to read the reports, but seems that Goodell is losing it.

Halfcan · 09-09-2015, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

This is all pretty amazing. You read the articles, and you get:

1. Spygate, again.

2. Random crap like warm gatorade (really?)

3. the ability of the Patriots sideline (but not the opponent's sideline) to see the TV screen at CBS SCene. The implication is that this could help watch replays and determine challenges, or something. Except (1) it's not true, and (2) coaches in the booth are also watching the TV. So it's false, and even if true would not likely be an advantage anyway.

4. Belichick somehow secretly knows about who missed the opposing team's flight on Saturday night. Yeah, duh, because it's league-wide reported information.

5. Bugging opposing locker rooms, etc. etc. Five separate sweeps for bugs by other teams, never found a thing. Probably because BB is in their heads, rather than has bugs in their room.

6. Stealing playsheets. This is to me a pretty serious allegation. Except if it was so widely known that teams left fake playsheets around, why not leave a hidden camera recording to catch someone, or a hidden security guard, or a guy standing at the door. Or have a guy go around before people leave the locker room for warmups and pick up any extra playsheets. It seems preposterous because it'd be so easy to prevent, and/or to catch them doing it.

7. Other suspicions regarding spies here there and everywhere. Yet every time they look, they don't find anything. Either Belichick is not only a football mastermind, but also a superspy genius, or he's just in their heads in a massive way.

8. Malfunctioning headphone equipment. I have no answer to this, except I do know it has happened to the Patriots also, and to other teams.

But ultimately it's Spygate plus a bunch of rumors with no evidence in support.

So basically all of it is false.

It is just (Great Coaching) that the Patriots manage to plug in guys off the street and their defense ALWAYS seems to make the EXACT right call??

I don't think they were able to cheat their last visit to Arrowhead- and the results speak for themselves. Patriots have never been talented enough to be a dynasty without all the "help".

The fact that the NFL covered this up for so long is not surprising - Kraft has very deep pockets.

4 tarnished SB trophies with a mountain of evidence stating you cheated in every one. Congrats! Your team is the modern day Black Sox!

Brock · 09-09-2015, 10:02 AM

So not only has the commissioner dragged the face of the nfl through the mud, justified or not, now he's leaking stuff from 10 or more years ago about a situation he himself handled in an ineffective and shady, arbitrary manner.

Protect the shield!

What a ****ing buffoon.

tooge · 09-09-2015, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix

This is all pretty amazing. You read the articles, and you get:

1. Spygate, again.

2. Random crap like warm gatorade (really?)

3. the ability of the Patriots sideline (but not the opponent's sideline) to see the TV screen at CBS SCene. The implication is that this could help watch replays and determine challenges, or something. Except (1) it's not true, and (2) coaches in the booth are also watching the TV. So it's false, and even if true would not likely be an advantage anyway.

4. Belichick somehow secretly knows about who missed the opposing team's flight on Saturday night. Yeah, duh, because it's league-wide reported information.

5. Bugging opposing locker rooms, etc. etc. Five separate sweeps for bugs by other teams, never found a thing. Probably because BB is in their heads, rather than has bugs in their room.

6. Stealing playsheets. This is to me a pretty serious allegation. Except if it was so widely known that teams left fake playsheets around, why not leave a hidden camera recording to catch someone, or a hidden security guard, or a guy standing at the door. Or have a guy go around before people leave the locker room for warmups and pick up any extra playsheets. It seems preposterous because it'd be so easy to prevent, and/or to catch them doing it.

7. Other suspicions regarding spies here there and everywhere. Yet every time they look, they don't find anything. Either Belichick is not only a football mastermind, but also a superspy genius, or he's just in their heads in a massive way.

8. Malfunctioning headphone equipment. I have no answer to this, except I do know it has happened to the Patriots also, and to other teams.

But ultimately it's Spygate plus a bunch of rumors with no evidence in support.

So, for the record, Amnorix, do you think that the Patriots cheated in any way in the BB era? Also, you do realize that in entertainment, perception is reality. Everyone other than Patriots fans think that the Patriots are cheaters. That can't feel good as a fan. I know if everyone out there really believed that my teams cheated to gain advantages that ultimately won them games, I'd be bummed.

rabblerouser · 09-09-2015, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by morphius

Sadly, with all the leaking and attempting trashing Goodell did before sentencing Brady I have trouble believing anything coming from his office. Also, why take it out on Brady if the coaching staff and the team are the ones you want to punish? I guess I'll have to read the reports, but seems that Goodell is losing it.

Because suspending Brady IS punishing the team??

Amnorix · 09-09-2015, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

So basically all of it is false.

It is just (Great Coaching) that the Patriots manage to plug in guys off the street and their defense ALWAYS seems to make the EXACT right call??

Patriots don't always make the exact right call. BB had a defensive game plan in the Hall of Fame years before he became the Patriots HC. Everyone acknowledges he's a football genius.

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I don't think they were able to cheat their last visit to Arrowhead- and the results speak for themselves. Patriots have never been talented enough to be a dynasty without all the "help".

So when they win, it's because they cheated, but if they lose it's because they couldnt'? That's your logic or proof?

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The fact that the NFL covered this up for so long is not surprising - Kraft has very deep pockets.

There is basically no new news in those two reports, except (1) the notes from Spector's interviews, etc., (2) how certain NFL owners wanted a "makeup call" on Deflategate because they thought the Spygate penalties were too light, and (3) a summary of rumors, with no evidence and sometimes obviously, provably untrue (TV screen from Patriots' sideline, for example).

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4 tarnished SB trophies with a mountain of evidence stating you cheated in every one. Congrats! Your team is the modern day Black Sox!

Spygate wasn't even a rule when they won the first three Super Bowls. No evidence of cheating in any of them. Sorry to disappoint.

tooge · 09-09-2015, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

So, for the record, Amnorix, do you think that the Patriots cheated in any way in the BB era? Also, you do realize that in entertainment, perception is reality. Everyone other than Patriots fans think that the Patriots are cheaters. That can't feel good as a fan. I know if everyone out there really believed that my teams cheated to gain advantages that ultimately won them games, I'd be bummed.

Amnorix, please answer the question. Do you think the Patriots cheated in any way in the BB era? Is it all just smoke and no fire? Do you care that the rest of the leagues fans, and the rest of the league in general views the Patriots as cheats? If no and no, then that's cool, it is what it is. Just curious as to how open minded you are.

Amnorix · 09-09-2015, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

So, for the record, Amnorix, do you think that the Patriots cheated in any way in the BB era? Also, you do realize that in entertainment, perception is reality. Everyone other than Patriots fans think that the Patriots are cheaters. That can't feel good as a fan. I know if everyone out there really believed that my teams cheated to gain advantages that ultimately won them games, I'd be bummed.

There is no question but that Spygate was a rules violation. It's not really the rules violation everyone thinks it is, but it was a rules violation. NOTE: Belichick and the Patriots NEVER denied what they did. They turned EVERYTHING over to the NFL, and then got the harshest punishment in NFL history (up to that time) for it.

The evidence is seriously a mess in Deflategate. There are some troubling texts, no question, but OTOH the science doesn't really help establish that any deflation happened.

EVERYTHING else is rumors. No evidence at all on any of it.

Note that the same thing happened in the NBA with Red Auerbach. Opposing teams/players thought he did all kinds of crap. No hot water in visting locker rooms at the Garden (same for the home team, but he wouldn't tell them).

**morphius** · 09-09-2015, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Because suspending Brady IS punishing the team??

Well, you can't punish a player 4 games, along with his paychecks because of something management did.

tooge · 09-09-2015, 12:13 PM

Fair enough. Although I don't think removing a draft pick is really that much of a punishment. It's like when the Bronco's snuck around the salary cap and got hit with two thirds If I remember correctly. I think most people would gladly give up two thirds for a SB victory, same with a first. Not sure what the correct punishment is, but it certainly didn't seem to stop them.

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Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	This is all pretty amazing. You read the articles, and you get: 1. Spygate, again. 2. Random crap like warm gatorade (really?) 3. the ability of the Patriots sideline (but not the opponent's sideline) to see the TV screen at CBS SCene. The implication is that this could help watch replays and determine challenges, or something. Except (1) it's not true, and (2) coaches in the booth are also watching the TV. So it's false, and even if true would not likely be an advantage anyway. 4. Belichick somehow secretly knows about who missed the opposing team's flight on Saturday night. Yeah, duh, because it's league-wide reported information. 5. Bugging opposing locker rooms, etc. etc. Five separate sweeps for bugs by other teams, never found a thing. Probably because BB is in their heads, rather than has bugs in their room. 6. Stealing playsheets. This is to me a pretty serious allegation. Except if it was so widely known that teams left fake playsheets around, why not leave a hidden camera recording to catch someone, or a hidden security guard, or a guy standing at the door. Or have a guy go around before people leave the locker room for warmups and pick up any extra playsheets. It seems preposterous because it'd be so easy to prevent, and/or to catch them doing it. 7. Other suspicions regarding spies here there and everywhere. Yet every time they look, they don't find anything. Either Belichick is not only a football mastermind, but also a superspy genius, or he's just in their heads in a massive way. 8. Malfunctioning headphone equipment. I have no answer to this, except I do know it has happened to the Patriots also, and to other teams. But ultimately it's Spygate plus a bunch of rumors with no evidence in support. __________________ "I love signature blocks on the Internet. I get to put whatever the hell I want in quotes, pick a pretend author, and bang, it's like he really said it." George Washington
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Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	So not only has the commissioner dragged the face of the nfl through the mud, justified or not, now he's leaking stuff from 10 or more years ago about a situation he himself handled in an ineffective and shady, arbitrary manner. Protect the shield! What a ****ing buffoon.
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tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $3644112	Fair enough. Although I don't think removing a draft pick is really that much of a punishment. It's like when the Bronco's snuck around the salary cap and got hit with two thirds If I remember correctly. I think most people would gladly give up two thirds for a SB victory, same with a first. Not sure what the correct punishment is, but it certainly didn't seem to stop them.
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