Fivehead Manning: least clutch QB in NFL history?

[GoChargers]

1997 regular season – Manning is dominant in his final season for the Tennessee Volunteers, passing for 36 TD, 11 INT while leading the team to 32.9 PPG in the tough SEC. The best QB in college football finishes No. 2 in the Heisman voting, behind triple-theat performer Charles Woodson.

1997 postseason – Manning produces just a single TD through three quarters and is benched in the fourth quarter as the talent-laden No. 3 Volunteers get smoked by Nebraska, 42-17. Manning completes 21 of 31 for 131 yards, a dismal 4.2 YPA. He is benched in the fourth quarter for Tee Martin, who leads a scoring drive and then leads stacked Tennessee to the national title the following season.

1999 regular season – The Colts roll through the season with a 13-3 record behind second-year phenom Manning. They score 26.4 PPG, third in the NFL.

1999 postseason – Manning completes just 45.2% of his passes with 5.4 YPA and a 62.3 rating as the Colts lose to the Titans, 19-16, playing at home in the Indy dome no less. One and done in the playoffs.

2000 regular season – Manning is brilliant (33 TD, 15 INT, 94.7 rating), while leading the Colts to 26.8 PPG (fourth) and a 10-6 record.

2000 postseason – Manning again struggles to get the ball downfield, completing just 53.1% of his passes for 194 yards, 6.1 YPA and an ordinary 82.0 rating. The Colts lose in Miami, 23-17. One and done in the playoffs.

2002 regular season – The Colts are merely ordinary on offense but go 10-6 and earn a wildcard spot behind one of the league's better defenses: 19.6 PPG (7th). They earn a cushy draw against the 9-7 AFC East champion Jets.

2002 postseason – Manning and the Colts come up lame in one of the most dismal offensive performances in modern playoff history. He completes 45.2% of his passes for 137 yards, 4.4 YPA, 0 TD, 2 INT and a 31.2 rating. The Colts are embarrassed by the 9-7 Jets, 41-0. One and done in the playoffs.

2003 regular season – The Colts explode for 27.9 PPG (2nd) on their way to a 12-4 record and the AFC South crown. Manning wins his first NFL MVP award, sharing the honor with Steve McNair.

2003 postseason – MVP Manning finally enjoys his first postseason success leading the Colts to the AFC title game with a pair of brilliant playoff performances against the Broncos and Chiefs. Then his statistical chariot turned into a pumpkin, with four picks and a 35.5 rating in an ugly 24-14 loss at New England.

2004 regular season – MVP Manning sets the football world abuzz, throwing a record 49 TD passes while leading the Colts to 522 points and a 12-4 record. Manning wins his second consecutive league MVP award.

2004 postseason – Manning is brilliant against the Broncos in the wildcard round, as he was the year before. Then the NFL MVP shits the bed against the Patriots, with just 5.7 YPA, 0 TD, 1 INT and a 69.3 rating in a 20-3 loss. Compared to regular-season production, it is arguably the worst offensive performance in the history of the NFL postseason – at least to that point.

2005 regular season – The mighty Colts are teed up on both sides of the ball to win the Super Bowl: No. 2 in scoring offense (27.4 PPG); No. 2 in scoring defense (15.4), on their way to a brilliant 14-2 record and No. 1 seed in the AFC. It sets up a week rest and a home game against the 11-5 Steelers. By now you know how this story ends.

2005 postseason – Manning didn't exactly shit the bed. But after another brilliant regular season, the offense struggles with its worst performance of the year, producing just 3 points through three quarters. The Colts lose at home to the Steelers, 21-18. One and done in the playoffs.

2006 regular season – The Colts score 26.7 PPG (2nd) on their way to a 12-4 record.

2006 postseason – Proving that even a blind squirrel can find a nut, Manning throws 3 TDs and 7 INTs in four postseason games, but bumbles his way to his only Super Bowl victory behind Indy's brilliant defensive play (16.3 PPG in postseason). He posts the lowest playoff passer rating of any Super Bowl-winning quarterback.

2007 regular season – The defending champs roll through the season with a 13-3 record behind a prolific offense (28.1 PPG; 3rd) and the league's best defense (16.4 PPG; 1st).

2007 postseason – Manning passes for 402 yards and 3 TDs against the visiting Chargers. But the game turns on two costly INTs in San Diego territory at the end of the first half and at the start of the second half. His third-quarter pass was picked off at the San Diego 3, costing the team critical points in a 28-24 loss. One and done in the playoffs.

2008 regular season – The Colts go 12-4, led by a defense that's No. 7 in the NFL in scoring (18.6 PPG). They go on the road in the wildcard round, but get another gimme draw against the 8-8 AFC West champion Chargers. With foil Tom Brady out all year with an injury, the path is paved for Manning and the Colts to win their second Super Bowl.

2008 postseason – Manning doesn't shit the bed. But he hardly looks like the NFL's Most Valuable Player against the average San Diego defense. The Colts struggle to find a groove in a 23-17 loss. One and done in the playoffs.

2009 regular season – The balanced Colts go 14-2 behind a strong offense (7th in scoring) and defense (8th), and another MVP performance by Manning (33 TD, 16 INT, 99.9 rating).

2009 postseason – Manning advances to the Super Bowl for the second time in his career. The MVP has a chance to tie the game and cement his legend in the fourth quarter. Instead, his pass his picked off by Tracy Porter, who returns it 74 yards for the game-clinching score. Colts lose to the Saints, 31-17, as Manning is outplayed by Drew Brees.

2010 regular season – The Colts struggle through a 10-6 season, but it's still enough to win the AFC South. Manning throws 33 TD passes and again leads one of the best offenses in football (27.2 PPG).

2010 postseason – Manning plays well, passing for 225 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT and a 108.7 rating on 26 attempts. But his team, as usual, suddenly struggles to score points in a critical game. The Colts lose at home to the Jets, 17-16. One and done in the playoffs.

2012 regular season – Manning's first year in Denver is a great success. The Broncos are stacked on both sides of the ball (No. 2 scoring offense; No. 4 scoring defense), go 13-3 and earn the AFC's No. 1 seed.

2012 postseason – Manning threw a pick-six and an ugly Favre-esque across-his-body overtime INT to seal Denver's fate in a 38-35 loss to the Ravens. The Broncos fail to win a game in which they produced two special teams touchdowns. One and done in the playoffs.

2013 regular season – The Broncos dominate the NFL behind Manning's fifth MVP performance. He throws a record 55 TD passes while leading the first 600-point team in NFL history (606).

2013 postseason – Manning takes shitting the bed to new levels in Super Bowl XLVIII. Hell, he shit all over the floor and the walls, too. Wide-eyed Manning muffs the first snap of the game, handing the Seahawks a gift 2-0 lead. He's picked off in Seattle territory later in the first quarter, and throws a pick-six at the end of the first half.

The greatest offense in NFL history is shutout for nearly three quarters, behind Manning's worst game of the season (5.7 YPA, 73.5 rating). The Denver offense, after scoring 37.9 PPG in the regular season, is humiliated in a 43-8 loss. It is easily the worst postseason offensive performance relative to regular season success in the Super Bowl Era, replacing Manning's 2004 Colts for that dishonor.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com...manning/31873/

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

He's not.

Peyton has more TDs per game, more yards per attempt, and a higher QB rating in outside games than Brady does. How is that not better?

[Hootie]

they aren't big fans of responding (Patriots fans) when they get pwned

[GloryDayz]

This is still too nice for Manning!

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Try evening out the playing field, slick. Manning was a dome boy for almost all of his life. Also, stop with the QBR bullshit.

Dome v. Dome
Rest v. Rest


Go for it!

Brady plays outdoors in shitty-weather towns; Manning padded his stats playing most of his career in a dome

Brady has spent his entire career playing outdoors in Foxboro, one of the coldest and snowiest cities in the NFL, with a division schedule that includes the howling winds of Giants and MetLife Stadiums and the famously treacherous weather of Buffalo.

Manning spent much of his career playing in the cozy dome of Indianapolis, with a warm, soft division schedule that included the southern cities of Nashville and Jacksonville, plus the dome of Houston.

Brady has played 92% of his games outdoors (185 of 202)
Manning has played 49% of his games outdoors (122 of 248)





Brady in a dome: 67.4%, 8.64 YPA, 6.9% TD, 2.62% INT, 106.42 rating

Manning in a dome: 66.16%, 7.8 YPA, 6.1% TD, 2.4% INT, 99.72 rating

Brady outdoors: 63.15%, 7.35 YPA, 5.39% TD, 1.93% INT, 95.28 rating

Manning outdoors: 64.97%, 7.62 YPA, 5.66% TD, 2.63% INT, 95.83 rating

Based upon all the data at hand, it's very reasonable and logical to declare that Tom Brady's would be statistically superior in every passing category had he the luxury of playing more than half his career in a dome, and had Manning played most of his career in bad-weather northern cities.

hootie's website where he continually gets owned - coldhardfootballfacts

anyone that thinks peyton is more impressive is a dumbass.. which Hootie proves to be thinking peyton is superior

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

how about Brady only putting up 14 points in a game he was favored to win by 13.5 and not being able to get his team into FG range to take that 1st Super Bowl into overtime after mocking Plaxico for suggesting the Patriots, who won by an average of 26.6 points per game on the year, would only score 17 points

and then 4 years later overthrowing Welker on a "would have been" game ending 1st down for a Super Bowl championship

...

not clutch

Spygate

The Patriots won 69.3 percent of their games while they were presumably taping signals; they have won 75.6 percent of games since they were forced to stop.

Paine looked at the Patriots’ offensive success relative to their expected output when facing a team for the second or third time in a season. The reason for this method is because the Patriots were caught taping opponents’ defensive signals, and film couldn’t be analyzed until after the game, so any information gleaned would only help the offense in a rematch.

The Patriots scored 2.4 points more than expected before the Spygate scandal. After the scandal? The Patriots performed the exact same — 2.4 points better than expected.
“That means,” Paine wrote, “New England’s offensive overachievement was more likely due to great coaching and quarterback play, which persisted across both eras, than to any illicit edge.”

However, Paine did find one wart in the “Spygate-did-nothing-to-help-the-Patriots” argument, and it lies in the team’s postseason record (12-2 prior, 6-6 since). However, in the repeat-opponent framework set above, “there hasn’t been any difference — significant or otherwise — in the Patriots’ offensive performance since the league mandated the team stop taping opposing play calls.”

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/t...really-matter/

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/08/0...-to-new-study/

[Hootie]

how many super bowls have they won since spygate?

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by RobBlake

Brady plays outdoors in shitty-weather towns; Manning padded his stats playing most of his career in a dome

Brady has spent his entire career playing outdoors in Foxboro, one of the coldest and snowiest cities in the NFL, with a division schedule that includes the howling winds of Giants and MetLife Stadiums and the famously treacherous weather of Buffalo.

Manning spent much of his career playing in the cozy dome of Indianapolis, with a warm, soft division schedule that included the southern cities of Nashville and Jacksonville, plus the dome of Houston.

Brady has played 92% of his games outdoors (185 of 202)
Manning has played 49% of his games outdoors (122 of 248)





Brady in a dome: 67.4%, 8.64 YPA, 6.9% TD, 2.62% INT, 106.42 rating

Manning in a dome: 66.16%, 7.8 YPA, 6.1% TD, 2.4% INT, 99.72 rating

Brady outdoors: 63.15%, 7.35 YPA, 5.39% TD, 1.93% INT, 95.28 rating

Manning outdoors: 64.97%, 7.62 YPA, 5.66% TD, 2.63% INT, 95.83 rating

Based upon all the data at hand, it's very reasonable and logical to declare that Tom Brady's would be statistically superior in every passing category had he the luxury of playing more than half his career in a dome, and had Manning played most of his career in bad-weather northern cities.

hootie's website where he continually gets owned - coldhardfootballfacts

anyone that thinks peyton is more impressive is a dumbass.. which Hootie proves to be thinking peyton is superior

I don't know if you made those numbers up or if coldhard... whatever did, but they're not right.

Besides that, Brady has played 12 games in a dome over the course of his career.

12.

Basing Brady's hypothetical career off of 12 games is stupid.

[Hootie]

so now Brady gets a pass because he has to play outside?

Manning has thrown like 100 TD passes in the last two seasons and he plays in Denver.

His stats are the exact same as they've always been.

But Brady is better because he plays outside in a snowy city even though football starts in August and only has about 1 cold month.

Awesome.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

I don't know if you made those numbers up or if coldhard... whatever did, but they're not right.

Besides that, Brady has played 12 games in a dome over the course of his career.

12.

Basing Brady's hypothetical career off of 12 games is stupid.

lmao

a 12 game sample size

[Hootie]

coldhardfootballfacts is a Boston website, too, by the way

so lmao lmao lmao

[Hootie]

the owner is Kerry J. Byrne and he writes for the Boston Herald

...

man that website sure is pwning me

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

so now Brady gets a pass because he has to play outside?

Manning has thrown like 100 TD passes in the last two seasons and he plays in Denver.

His stats are the exact same as they've always been.

But Brady is better because he plays outside in a snowy city even though football starts in August and only has about 1 cold month.

Awesome.

Manning Wrs/TE

Sanders
Welker
thomas
Thomas
Decker

Brady's
Amendola
Edleman
Gronk *including injury time*
Slater
Dobson
thompkins.


Yeah its easy for someone of Manning's caliber to post such marks, since he's always been surrounded by superior talent.

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

how many super bowls have they won since spygate?

That's not a valid argument. Lets not mention that NY has had one of the bet defensive units of the bast couple years in the playoffs *btw Alex prob had the best game vs the giants defense than anyone during their second run*, miraculous plays in both games allowed for the giants to win that game. Tyree catch and manningham sideline catch/ welker drop. Thats all that separates 5-0 to 3-2.

Now brady is favored to go to yet a 6th superbowl.

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

so now Brady gets a pass because he has to play outside?

Manning has thrown like 100 TD passes in the last two seasons and he plays in Denver.

His stats are the exact same as they've always been.

But Brady is better because he plays outside in a snowy city even though football starts in August and only has about 1 cold month.

Awesome.

game is easier within a dome in controlled environment compared to outside. See St louis rams.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Peyton has more TDs per game, more yards per attempt, and a higher QB rating in outside games than Brady does. How is that not better?

Their outside stats are essentially identical, and Brady's played a larger percentage of games in bad weather outdoor stadiums.

Brady - Better outdoors
Brady - Better indoors
Brady - Better in the playoffs
Brady - Better in the clutch
Brady - Just flat out better