Chiefs CHIEFS IN ON BARKLEY, SMITH, OUT ON WILSON, NASSIB - Page 9

Mr_Tomahawk · 02-24-2013, 09:19 PM

CHIEFS IN ON BARKLEY, SMITH, OUT ON WILSON, NASSIB

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By TJ Carpenter

The pressure has been on the Chiefs new regime since the day it was hired. Andy Reid and John Dorsey have been adamant the philosophy of best available player will be followed to the letter of its intent in Kansas City.

Even if it means not drafting a quarterback number one overall.

But while Dorsey will not confirm anything about which player he believes is currently the best among the current draft class, that doesn’t mean he and his staff aren’t doing their due diligence when it comes to the quarterback position.

I believe the Chiefs thinking after watching the quarterbacks throw on Sunday is that Geno Smith out of West Virginia is their primary target at this point. His interview went extremely well and the Chiefs really liked what they saw in workouts and throwing drills at the combine. He’s a two-for-two guy at the combine.

The same cannot be said for quarterbacks Ryan Nassib out of Syracuse and Tyler Wilson out of Arkansas. While there is no indication either quarterback was lackluster during the interview process, the Chiefs were not thrilled with Wilson nor Nassib during throwing drills on Sunday. In particular, Nassib may have thrown his way out of contention for a spot on the Chief’s roster far before he set foot in Indianapolis. The knock on Nassib at this point is he’s a “system quarterback,” which while it may speak volumes about his former coach at Syracuse turned first year Buffalo Bills head coach Doug Marrone, it does little to ensure NFL scouts Nassib can grasp an NFL offense or make the throws necessary to compete at the NFL level. The Chiefs were also impressed with Arizona’s Matt Scott during passing drills on Sunday.

While USC’s Matt Barkley did not throw at the combine he did interview with numerous teams at the combine including the Chiefs. Not only was Barkley impressive from the podium in front of the media, he was impressive in interviews. All indications point toward the Chiefs being very impressed with Barkley and his natural charisma. The Chiefs, along with most of the NFL, are looking forward to watching Barkley throw at his pro day on March 27th when he will be 100% recovered from a shoulder injury he sustained during his senior year.

In addition to the players under intense scrutiny here at the draft, Dorsey, a first-year general manager in his own right, is under his own degree of scrutiny as well. Dorsey has not been the most eloquent when addressing the media publicly, but has the confidence of those who have worked with him for a long time in the national football league. After speaking with multiple personnel people around the NFL at the combine and several who have had a relationship with Dorsey for many years around the NFL, his reputation among insiders and decision-makers alike is as sterling as a reputation could possibly be. In fact, the mere suggestion that fans or media in Kansas City would question John Dorsey’s abilities as a GM prompted Chris Mortensen of ESPN to offense, stating, “He’s one of the best talent evaluator’s in the NFL.”

Yet, if the Chiefs’ evaluation of the quarterback position falls in line with that of the national media, the decision will likely draw the ire of fans and media alike in Kansas City. Luke Joeckel is not the only offensive tackle contending for the number one overall pick, as stated by Mike Mayock during a media session Sunday afternoon, Joeckel and Eric Fisher out of Central Michigan have, “pulled even,” and it has been that way since the Senior Bowl according to Mayock.

As defensive end and the pass rush is also a lush position in this year’s draft, the Chiefs have also been projected to consider several linebackers and defensive linemen in this year’s draft. Jarvis Jones out of Georgia has been taken off of many draft boards because of a case of spinal stenosis, a narrowing of the spine he had been diagnosed with before college. The Chiefs have not been in contact with Jones so far at the combine. Also, Utah Defensive Tackle, Star Lotulelei during medical exams was diagnosed with a heart condition that could push him out of contention for the number one overall pick and even out of the first round depending on the severity of the condition. Lotulelei will not work out at the combine.

In conclusion, here is a list of players to watch in the draft you may not have thought about on the Chiefs roster yet: Arthur Brown - Kansas State, Matt Scott - Arizona, Sheldon Richardson - Mizzou , Knile Davis - Arkansas , Tavon Austin - West Virginia, Onterio McCalebb - Auburn, TJ Moe - Mizzou, Eric Fisher - Central Michigan, Demontre Moore - Texas A&M, Terrance Williams - Baylor, Marquise Goodwin - Texas

Halfcan · 02-25-2013, 10:03 AM

The last Charming QB that wowed the Chiefs like Barkley did was Todd Blackledge- who jumped ahead of Dan Marino.

Chiefnj2 · 02-25-2013, 10:38 AM

TJ Carpenter last year after the KC draft:

The Chiefs offense is going to be potent this coming season with everyone healthy, a personnel upgrade, and a new head coach. Despite the fact they DON’T have Charlie Weis calling the plays their numbers should rival or surpass those in 2010. The defensive line on the other hand may not be where most fans would like it to be, and Dontari Poe isn’t the answer people were looking for in the middle. You can hope, but you shouldn’t expect Poe to be the can’t miss player the Chiefs treated him like during the draft.

htismaqe · 02-25-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

TJ Carpenter last year after the KC draft:

The Chiefs offense is going to be potent this coming season with everyone healthy, a personnel upgrade, and a new head coach. Despite the fact they DON’T have Charlie Weis calling the plays their numbers should rival or surpass those in 2010. The defensive line on the other hand may not be where most fans would like it to be, and Dontari Poe isn’t the answer people were looking for in the middle. You can hope, but you shouldn’t expect Poe to be the can’t miss player the Chiefs treated him like during the draft.

To be fair, that is Carpenter opining.

Right now, he's reporting - he's telling people what he's heard in Indy.

So it's two different things.

That being said, yes, he's kind of a dope. Said that last night.

saphojunkie · 02-25-2013, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

The idea that they're going to do this is a fantasy. If they trade for Alex Smith, there's no Geno Smith. End of Story.

Tell that to Matt Hasselbeck and Jake Locker. 3 year deal, 21 million, drafted a QB in the first round that same spring.

htismaqe · 02-25-2013, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Tell that to Matt Hasselbeck and Jake Locker. 3 year deal, 21 million, drafted a QB in the first round that same spring.

Did they trade for Hasselbeck and was he 29 years old and coming from a Super Bowl participant?

RunKC · 02-25-2013, 12:03 PM

I want to hear our thoughts on EJ Manuel. He had a very good combine.

Seems like a guy Reid would be interested in.

B14ckmon · 02-25-2013, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I want to hear our thoughts on EJ Manuel. He had a very good combine.

Seems like a guy Reid would be interested in.

Great in the Senior Bowl. Great in the combine. Led a top college team in the country.

I hope we get him.

Sorter · 02-25-2013, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Did they trade for Hasselbeck and was he 29 years old and coming from a Super Bowl participant?

Titans got him after the Seahawks playoff run in '10, IIRC as a FA.

KC_Lee · 02-25-2013, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Did they trade for Hasselbeck and was he 29 years old and coming from a Super Bowl participant?

Sort of, he was 35 at the time of the trade and Seattle has just hired Carroll as the HC.

htismaqe · 02-25-2013, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee

Sort of, he was 35 at the time of the trade and Seattle has just hired Carroll as the HC.

He wasn't a trade.

KC_Lee · 02-25-2013, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He wasn't a trade.

Correct, my bad. I failed at the interwebs...

Saccopoo · 02-25-2013, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

The last Charming QB that wowed the Chiefs like Barkley did was Todd Blackledge- who jumped ahead of Dan Marino.

Barkley is a nice college QB. So was Blackledge.

I want upside.

I want that guy who can run a 4.4 in the open field who can also throw the 40-50 yarder right into the recievers hands in coverage.

There's one guy in this draft that can do that - Geno.

I don't give a rats **** how glib the guy is in the press room.

B14ckmon · 02-25-2013, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Barkley is a nice college QB. So was Blackledge.

I want upside.

I want that guy who can run a 4.4 in the open field who can also throw the 40-50 yarder right into the recievers hands in coverage.

There's one guy in this draft that can do that - Geno.

I don't give a rats **** how glib the guy is in the press room.

You are going to be sooooooo disappointed lol

keg in kc · 02-25-2013, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Tell that to Matt Hasselbeck and Jake Locker. 3 year deal, 21 million, drafted a QB in the first round that same spring.

Not a trade or under 30. And not 1:1.

Also, that's a tiny contract for a QB if you're trying to use that as some kind of indication that they spent a lot of money on him.

And I've said repeatedly that I don't think the issue is money, I think the issue is spending draft picks to acquire a vet starter under 30 and then spending 1:1 on a QB. I don't think there's any chance in the world that happens. I think people are dreaming.

Saccopoo · 02-25-2013, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B14ckmon

You are going to be sooooooo disappointed lol

As a Jags fan, you definitely know about disappointment.

Enjoy Gabbert for another season.

02-24-2013, 09:19 PM
Mr_Tomahawk Prestige Worldwide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spring Hill, KS Casino cash: $2560526	CHIEFS IN ON BARKLEY, SMITH, OUT ON WILSON, NASSIB CHIEFS IN ON BARKLEY, SMITH, OUT ON WILSON, NASSIB http://whb-am.tritondigitalmedia.com...9&post_id=3751 By TJ Carpenter The pressure has been on the Chiefs new regime since the day it was hired. Andy Reid and John Dorsey have been adamant the philosophy of best available player will be followed to the letter of its intent in Kansas City. Even if it means not drafting a quarterback number one overall. But while Dorsey will not confirm anything about which player he believes is currently the best among the current draft class, that doesn’t mean he and his staff aren’t doing their due diligence when it comes to the quarterback position. I believe the Chiefs thinking after watching the quarterbacks throw on Sunday is that Geno Smith out of West Virginia is their primary target at this point. His interview went extremely well and the Chiefs really liked what they saw in workouts and throwing drills at the combine. He’s a two-for-two guy at the combine. The same cannot be said for quarterbacks Ryan Nassib out of Syracuse and Tyler Wilson out of Arkansas. While there is no indication either quarterback was lackluster during the interview process, the Chiefs were not thrilled with Wilson nor Nassib during throwing drills on Sunday. In particular, Nassib may have thrown his way out of contention for a spot on the Chief’s roster far before he set foot in Indianapolis. The knock on Nassib at this point is he’s a “system quarterback,” which while it may speak volumes about his former coach at Syracuse turned first year Buffalo Bills head coach Doug Marrone, it does little to ensure NFL scouts Nassib can grasp an NFL offense or make the throws necessary to compete at the NFL level. The Chiefs were also impressed with Arizona’s Matt Scott during passing drills on Sunday. While USC’s Matt Barkley did not throw at the combine he did interview with numerous teams at the combine including the Chiefs. Not only was Barkley impressive from the podium in front of the media, he was impressive in interviews. All indications point toward the Chiefs being very impressed with Barkley and his natural charisma. The Chiefs, along with most of the NFL, are looking forward to watching Barkley throw at his pro day on March 27th when he will be 100% recovered from a shoulder injury he sustained during his senior year. In addition to the players under intense scrutiny here at the draft, Dorsey, a first-year general manager in his own right, is under his own degree of scrutiny as well. Dorsey has not been the most eloquent when addressing the media publicly, but has the confidence of those who have worked with him for a long time in the national football league. After speaking with multiple personnel people around the NFL at the combine and several who have had a relationship with Dorsey for many years around the NFL, his reputation among insiders and decision-makers alike is as sterling as a reputation could possibly be. In fact, the mere suggestion that fans or media in Kansas City would question John Dorsey’s abilities as a GM prompted Chris Mortensen of ESPN to offense, stating, “He’s one of the best talent evaluator’s in the NFL.” Yet, if the Chiefs’ evaluation of the quarterback position falls in line with that of the national media, the decision will likely draw the ire of fans and media alike in Kansas City. Luke Joeckel is not the only offensive tackle contending for the number one overall pick, as stated by Mike Mayock during a media session Sunday afternoon, Joeckel and Eric Fisher out of Central Michigan have, “pulled even,” and it has been that way since the Senior Bowl according to Mayock. As defensive end and the pass rush is also a lush position in this year’s draft, the Chiefs have also been projected to consider several linebackers and defensive linemen in this year’s draft. Jarvis Jones out of Georgia has been taken off of many draft boards because of a case of spinal stenosis, a narrowing of the spine he had been diagnosed with before college. The Chiefs have not been in contact with Jones so far at the combine. Also, Utah Defensive Tackle, Star Lotulelei during medical exams was diagnosed with a heart condition that could push him out of contention for the number one overall pick and even out of the first round depending on the severity of the condition. Lotulelei will not work out at the combine. In conclusion, here is a list of players to watch in the draft you may not have thought about on the Chiefs roster yet: Arthur Brown - Kansas State, Matt Scott - Arizona, Sheldon Richardson - Mizzou , Knile Davis - Arkansas , Tavon Austin - West Virginia, Onterio McCalebb - Auburn, TJ Moe - Mizzou, Eric Fisher - Central Michigan, Demontre Moore - Texas A&M, Terrance Williams - Baylor, Marquise Goodwin - Texas
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