Chiefs Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block - Page 9

Direckshun · 09-09-2014, 11:02 AM

It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season.

Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want.

But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend.

With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path.

He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year).

We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be.

The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant.

Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here.

I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will.

I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way.

That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him.

This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.

Direckshun · 09-09-2014, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Let's not forget the clown shoes Emanuel Sanders and his agent put on Dorsey this off season that has contributed to this mess on offense. Dorsey has made some colossal **** ups since taking over.

Ugh. God.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-09-2014, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

It was everyone's decision. Clark Hunt came right out and said after the season was over that spending a draft pick on a QB carried a lot of risk and that in this particular class of QBs he didn't see anybody he really liked

And this is why my overall interest level is right up there with watching grass grow.

**Rausch** · 09-09-2014, 03:23 PM

Um, please?...

Coochie liquor · 09-09-2014, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 505 Chief

And this is why my overall interest level is right up there with watching grass grow.

Why because that draft was full of amazing qbs??

**Rausch** · 09-09-2014, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

Why because that draft was full of amazing qbs??

Because there was talent that's produced and we watched Dorsey piss down his leg...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-09-2014, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Because there was talent that's produced and we watched Dorsey piss down his leg...

Coochie liquor · 09-09-2014, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Because there was talent that's produced and we watched Dorsey piss down his leg...

Hindsight... Gotcha!

Pablo · 09-09-2014, 03:38 PM

The Chiefs already had AIDS. Dorsey came in and gave us asshole cancer too.

Thanks a lot John.

Pablo · 09-09-2014, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

Hindsight... Gotcha!

Let me guess?

Just be patient!!! Things are looking up!!!

Pablo · 09-09-2014, 03:43 PM

If only GMs got paid great money to make decisions that us common plebes would need the benefit of hindsight to make. They're only human after all.

**Rausch** · 09-09-2014, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

Hindsight... Gotcha!

It was ****ing obvious.

I, and many others, said it at the time.

He wasted picks, money, and all of our ****ing time...

chiefzilla1501 · 09-09-2014, 04:02 PM

I hope we don't get lulled into loyalty like we always do. However, it's way too soon to make that call. Dorsey has set a framework for a big haul in 2015. I think he deserves a chance to show what he can do and for our draft picks to have time to show what they can do. But I do think that next year, we need to set that ultimatum that he shouldn't get too comfortable top fast. As of right now, his draft choices don't inspire much hope.

Halfcan · 09-09-2014, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

The Chiefs already had AIDS. Dorsey came in and gave us asshole cancer too.

Thanks a lot John.

Dorsey has done a dismal job all the way around....well except for "fixing" tailgating at Arrowhead- you know because it was so terrible before... so great job putting RULES in place and guiding traffic all around the sports complex.

If he gets fired after this year-I think it could only help this team.

Dumping all the scrubs from the practice squad and adding more scrubs did nothing. Just "busy" work that won't help this team. That fat Alex contract will be his albatross that will drown him in a sea of failure.

**Rausch** · 09-09-2014, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

If only GMs got paid great money to make decisions that us common plebes would need the benefit of hindsight to make. They're only human after all.

You stupid **** WE SAW THE ERRORS ON ****ING DRAFT DAY.

It's not new. You damned sunshine-enema reeruns wanting to make excuses for everything pretend like there was no ****ing way of knowing...

saphojunkie · 09-09-2014, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

You stupid **** WE SAW THE ERRORS ON ****ING DRAFT DAY.

It's not new. You damned sunshine-enema reeruns wanting to make excuses for everything pretend like there was no ****ing way of knowing...

no way of knowing what?

09-09-2014, 11:02 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4093447	Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season. Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want. But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend. With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path. He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year). We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be. The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant. Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here. I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will. I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way. That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him. This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.
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09-09-2014, 03:38 PM	#128
Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North da River Casino cash: $1459356	The Chiefs already had AIDS. Dorsey came in and gave us asshole cancer too. Thanks a lot John.
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09-09-2014, 03:43 PM	#130
Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North da River Casino cash: $1459356	If only GMs got paid great money to make decisions that us common plebes would need the benefit of hindsight to make. They're only human after all.
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09-09-2014, 04:02 PM	#132
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $1544497	I hope we don't get lulled into loyalty like we always do. However, it's way too soon to make that call. Dorsey has set a framework for a big haul in 2015. I think he deserves a chance to show what he can do and for our draft picks to have time to show what they can do. But I do think that next year, we need to set that ultimatum that he shouldn't get too comfortable top fast. As of right now, his draft choices don't inspire much hope.
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