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**petegz28** · 04-09-2015, 05:44 PM

So I applied for an open position with a company. As part of the application I gave my minimum accepted salary. When I received a phone call from them to set up an interview I asked what range they were looking to pay. Their answer: "I haven't looked yet but we are within range of what you put down for your minimum or we wouldn't have called"

Okay, fair enough. So I go to the interview. At the end of the interview I ask the HR person, "what range are you looking to pay?". I get the same answer of we have to pull numbers and this and that but what you are asking for is within our range. Again, fair enough.

Today I get an offer 10% below what I stated as my minimum accepted and told that is the highest they can go because the position is that and not that.

So I'm kinda like, WTF happened to "within range"? I asked twice on two separate occasions what they were looking to pay and both times I was lead to believe what I stated as a minimum was close to an acceptable level. I understand coming in initially below my stated minimum but this sounds kinda shitty, really.

Worth negotiating? I do want the position but I am not hurting nor in desperate need for it either.

**Buehler445** · 04-10-2015, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Any advice on how to make money on the side? I'm sick of my job and the bullshit that comes along with it.

Well, you can always hang out your shingle at whatever you are doing.

Or you can pick up another trade and then hang out your shingle.

Or you can find another job.

BigChiefFan · 04-10-2015, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

hookers and blow

That's what I spend the money on-hence wanting a side job.

**TribalElder** · 04-10-2015, 05:01 PM

Pete best of luck to you

Phisherman, you should sack up and mention it to the hiring manager to make it happen

jspchief · 04-10-2015, 05:05 PM

Inquiring about compensation that early in the process is typically considered bad form. I bet they reduced their offer because you fail at life.

**BigRedChief** · 04-10-2015, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by phisherman

My job pays me a very fair wage. I get to set my hours, have a stable level of job security, determine my own workload for the most part, work from home regularly and am always encouraged to learn new skills for my specific role. I also only have to drive roughly 5 miles to get there. If you took a couple of these non-tangible benefits away but paid me 10k more, I really don't know if I'd take it.

It's not just money. For me another major factor was working at the highest level in my field. If I would have stayed with Sprint, not a chance I'm working with cutting edge stuff. Get to work unsupervised at the top of the tech ladder.

There are many like you that are perfectly happy staying with one company. I'm not discounting that at all. That has tremendous value. To know all your teammates, the network, everyone in the other departments, the people to contact. That has value.

I gambled our finances to take positions that bettered my career. When you got kids that's a tough decision to make. I'm not saying the way I chose to do it was better, it was just the best for me. I understood Guru's decision to stay at his job. There is no "better way" that apply's to everyone.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-10-2015, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I would not counter. I'd just say no. If they asked why, I'd tell them the obvious: you assholes wasted my time.

Exactly this. If they're serious, you'll see a significant increase. If not, do you really want to work for assholes?

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-10-2015, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbucks24

I've done a lot of hiring and made a lot of offers. When a lot people state their "minimum acceptable", they often mean "what they want". I have had a lot of people over the years state their minimum, and when I offer less, they gladly accept. Also, "within range" means a lot of different thing to different people. Again, a lot of people are stating what they want instead of the minimum they will accept. So if I offer 10% less than "what they want", i may still be "within range". They may very well be trying to lowball you. However, what they are offering may be what the job pays. You have every right to go back to the company and let them know (again) what the minimum you can accept is. In my opinion, if you came back with a higher offer (10% more that you said was the minimum), I would politely decline and move on. It's like if you are selling your house and someone comes in with a lowball offer. Do you tell them, "The price is $X and we won't take a lower offer"? Or do you tell them, "The price was $X, but now the price is $X+10%"? I don't think you get anywhere adding 10% to your original minimum. But, like I said, you have every right to remind them that you have a minimum and their offer is lower than that.

So it's okay for you to negotiate but not the individual who you're pursuing. Got it. Me, I'd go 10-15% over and say that there were some uncalculated costs when analyzing the original minimum and that you're thankful for the initial offer because you would've felt compelled to honor your word had they just offered that in the first place.

That's as subtle of a **** you as you'll ever see.

**petegz28** · 04-10-2015, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Inquiring about compensation that early in the process is typically considered bad form. I bet they reduced their offer because you fail at life.

Yeah, I mean why would someone want to have an idea of what they might get paid when they could just waste their time and everyone else's? That's a great point you bring up.

phisherman · 04-10-2015, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder

Pete best of luck to you

Phisherman, you should sack up and mention it to the hiring manager to make it happen

Steps already taken.

**petegz28** · 04-10-2015, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder

Pete best of luck to you

Phisherman, you should sack up and mention it to the hiring manager to make it happen

Phish is good peep. He was the one who made it all happen in the first place.

jspchief · 04-10-2015, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah, I mean why would someone want to have an idea of what they might get paid when they could just waste their time and everyone else's? That's a great point you bring up.

You're the one in here asking for advice. Perhaps you should research the topic of when to inquire about salary in the hiring process. I'm sure some industries are different, but I think most advice suggests it's not ideal to ask in your first communication.

But it sounds like you already have it all figured out, so have fun getting lowballed in your shitty IT career.

**Bearcat** · 04-10-2015, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

So it's okay for you to negotiate but not the individual who you're pursuing. Got it. Me, I'd go 10-15% over and say that there were some uncalculated costs when analyzing the original minimum and that you're thankful for the initial offer because you would've felt compelled to honor your word had they just offered that in the first place.

That's as subtle of a **** you as you'll ever see.

I grew up in a passive-aggressive family, but damn, that's good.

**petegz28** · 04-10-2015, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

You're the one in here asking for advice. Perhaps you should research the topic of when to inquire about salary in the hiring process. I'm sure some industries are different, but I think most advice suggests it's not ideal to ask in your first communication.

But it sounds like you already have it all figured out, so have fun getting lowballed in your shitty IT career.

You seem like a super swell guy. Thanks for your .02

**Bearcat** · 04-10-2015, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

It's not just money. For me another major factor was working at the highest level in my field. If I would have stayed with Sprint, not a chance I'm working with cutting edge stuff. Get to work unsupervised at the top of the tech ladder.

There are many like you that are perfectly happy staying with one company. I'm not discounting that at all. That has tremendous value. To know all your teammates, the network, everyone in the other departments, the people to contact. That has value.

I gambled our finances to take positions that bettered my career. When you got kids that's a tough decision to make. I'm not saying the way I chose to do it was better, it was just the best for me. I understood Guru's decision to stay at his job. There is no "better way" that apply's to everyone.

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

If you really want to get ahead in an I.T. career, you have to leave and pursue other oppertunitys. HR is slow to promote and take small risks on good employees. See Guru's recent experience for a prime example.

I think we have the same philosophy. I was at my first IT job for only 5-6 months before I started keeping tabs on a handful of companies, even though I liked the job and wasn't seriously considering a move. Spent several years "just browsing" and made a couple job changes in that time. I'm 'settled' at this point though... 5 whole years.

Lex Luthor · 04-10-2015, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

IT

That's pretty vague. What do you do? Are you a Java developer, a mainframe COBOL programmer, a Cisco-certified network engineer, a UNIX sysadmin, or what?

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