Aerosmith’s Steven Tyler just released his first country single

[Deberg_1990]

Lovely. enjoy!

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Brock

I would guess it's because country music, new country music, gets heavy airplay on the radio, while new rock music doesn't. Maybe it's just a Kansas thing, but we have 18 country stations that play new music and maybe 1 or 2 rock stations that interrupt the pink zeppelin playlist with new songs once in a while.

And god, does this new version of country music suck.

As I mentioned earlier, the model utilized by Country music is completely different than that of a rock music. And you're correct, terrestrial radio has all but ignored new acts since the digital age. It's either Pop crossover or legacy acts.

[Brock]

None of my kids even listen to rock music. They're all into wiz khalifa and that kind of stuff. I can see why, it's catchy and they can see them playing in small clubs right here in town, cheap.

[Chromatic]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

But that's what I mean: Rock is Dead.

There aren't 30-50 new bands out there selling out arenas and stadiums. Band aren't selling millions upon millions of units, they're lucky to sell 50,000 units. In 2013, less 1% of all music released sold more than 5,000 units. 5,000. Even at $9.99 a download, that's less than $50k and that's before production costs, instruments, amps, etc.

The way to profit off of rock music is dead, yes. However a lot of them still love to make it.

Music just isn't that profitable anymore. A lot of the bands I listen to and love work jobs or careers a lot of the year then tour when they put an album out. If they love doing it then i'm happy to support them.

As someone mentioned earlier, the marketplace is too fractured. If rock music was still controlled by record companies and publishers, many of today's bands would be more streamlined and focused, which most listeners appreciate because of the various media forms and lifestyles of Millennials.

The explosion of the internet in its current form made that kind of business model impossible. When you can fill up an ipod or music library with 10,000+ mp3s in 2 years without even trying, the music business was destined to nosedive.

Also, I thought you were a little too harsh on electronic music in your earlier posts. A ton of that stuff isn't my cup of tea but a lot of those guys(Amon Tobin being my favorite) are amazing talents who write good songs.

To me, there is little difference between a 15 year old kid in 1987 sitting in his room after school with his guitar jamming to Zeppelin and Metallica, and a kid sitting on his bed with a laptop and headphones trying to write something on fruity loops or some other music program in 2015. The spirit, the want to create, and the art are still there.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chromatic

The way to profit off of rock music is dead, yes. However a lot of them still love to make it.

Well, that's pretty much the point. If something doesn't generate revenue, it's a dead business.

Originally Posted by Chromatic

Music just isn't that profitable anymore. A lot of the bands I listen to and love work jobs or careers a lot of the year then tour when they put an album out. If they love doing it then i'm happy to support them.

Music is still very profitable. It's just not profitable for the musicians and composers. Spotify is valued at $14 BILLION dollars, yet it has no ownership rights. As a matter of fact, it's valuation is greater than that of all the music publishing and record companies combined.

People are earning money with music but it's not the artists themselves.

Originally Posted by Chromatic

The explosion of the internet in its current form made that kind of business model impossible. When you can fill up an ipod or music library with 10,000+ mp3s in 2 years without even trying, the music business was destined to nosedive.

Which is what I've been saying on Chiefsplanet for 15+ years: Illegal downloading has killed the music business.

When there the revenue stream is small, the product is likely to be below expectations. I would have thought that at some point, there'd be a critical mass and the demand for great music would return but that's just not the case.

Originally Posted by Chromatic

Also, I thought you were a little too harsh on electronic music in your earlier posts. A ton of that stuff isn't my cup of tea but a lot of those guys(especially underground) are amazing talents who write good songs.

To me, there is little difference between a 15 year old kid in 1987 sitting in his room after school with his guitar jamming to Zeppelin and Metallica, and a kid sitting on his bed with a laptop and headphones trying to write something on fruity loops or some other music program in 2015. The spirit, the want to create, and the art is still there.

It's because it's not music creation. Taking pre-fabricated loops and grooves isn't creating art, it's make a puzzle. Music creation actually consists of playing an instrument and creating a melody, structure and so on, even if that instrument is a voice, a piano or a drum.

It's not taking royalty-free loops provided by a company, shuffling them around and decreasing or increasing the tempo.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's because it's not music creation. Taking pre-fabricated loops and grooves isn't creating art, it's make a puzzle. Music creation actually consists of playing an instrument and creating a melody, structure and so on, even if that instrument is a voice, a piano or a drum.

It's not taking royalty-free loops provided by a company, shuffling them around and decreasing or increasing the tempo.

While I won't say there isn't an art or talent to that kind of work, I find it pretty hard to have much respect for musical craft that somebody didn't spend thousands of hours developing, ie learning guitar or piano or a horn. Not going to draw any money from my direction.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Brock

While I won't say there isn't an art or talent to that kind of work, I find it pretty hard to have much respect for musical craft that somebody didn't spend thousands of hours developing, ie learning guitar or piano or a horn. Not going to draw any money from my direction.

I've seen 7 year old kids make "tracks" from existing loops and grooves in Logic.

It isn't music creation in any way, shape or form.

[Chromatic]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's because it's not music creation. Taking pre-fabricated loops and grooves isn't creating art, it's make a puzzle. Music creation actually consists of playing an instrument and creating a melody, structure and so on, even if that instrument is a voice, a piano or a drum.

It's not taking royalty-free loops provided by a company, shuffling them around and decreasing or increasing the tempo.

It's making a puzzle? It's called composing, and bands do that as well when they put together verses, chorus, bridges. Just because electronic musicians use samples and/or music programs to create instead of instruments doesn't make it any less creative and/or valid.

We'll probably never see eye to eye on it which is fine. It's just disappointing to see such a "music guy" shut himself off to probably one of the more exciting and groundbreaking forms of it in the 21st century.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk8W3ysnB7M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q4nysj04Tg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvNWkCbCLH0

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I've seen 7 year old kids make "tracks" from existing loops and grooves in Logic.

It isn't music creation in any way, shape or form.

I've always viewed loops and samples as augmentation, not the main event.

[BlackOp]

None of the professional electronic artists I know compose with pre-fab loops. They use hardware like Elektron (http://eu.elektron.se/synths/) and modular synths....and start from scratch.

It's a gross oversimplification to stereotype a genre that you really dont understand...

Amon Tobin is good...did a show at the Museum of Contemporary Art with his video artist years ago...the guy that designed ISAM.

[eDave]

I've become a big fan of EDM. Though mainly because I'm a fan of MDMA these days.

Hitting this in September:

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Excellent move by a very talented man. Rock is dead, Country has a much bigger and loyal audience, especially in the younger demographic.

Rock is not dead. Just old rock is now bro country/pop country/rock. And the dumb masses fall for it.

[Chromatic]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

None of the professional electronic artists I know compose with pre-fab loops. They use hardware like Elektron (http://eu.elektron.se/synths/) and modular synths....and start from scratch.

It's a gross oversimplification to stereotype a genre that you really dont understand...

Amon Tobin is good...did a show at the Museum of Contemporary Art with his video artist years ago...the guy that designed ISAM.

Pro post.

I've been thinking of clearing a lot of my ipod of rock stuff I haven't listened to in forever and loading it up with other genres of music. I haven't really been that into music the last 3 or so years and it didn't occur to me why until this conversation, rock and metal is just becoming kind of boring to me. 7-8 years ago I used to spend 20 hours a week or more listening to music, searching out more, and talking about it on different message boards with friends. These days I probably spend 2-3 and that's a good week.

Outside of a few dozen bands that I'll always love, I'll probably start wiping it and aggressively pursing a lot of electronic music and other genres. Amon Tobin is already in there.

Originally Posted by eDave

I've become a big fan of EDM. Though mainly because I'm a fan of MDMA these days.Hitting this in September:

See, the dancy electronic stuff really isn't my bag. I want the dark, down tempo yet somewhat grooving stuff.

I imagine Aphex Twin is going to be the first electronic music I'll check out.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

When there the revenue stream is small, the product is likely to be below expectations. I would have thought that at some point, there'd be a critical mass and the demand for great music would return but that's just not the case.

The revenue stream for underground metal is far below that of rock or most other forms of music yet the quality of the music itself is the best it has ever been with an extremely loyal fanbase.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by Chromatic

Pro post.



I imagine Aphex Twin is going to be the first electronic music I'll check out.

Might as well start with a genius...Richard James (Aphex Twin) is the most important person making music. You should check out Warp Records from England...they have what you are looking for.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Chromatic

See, the dancy electronic stuff really isn't my bag. I want the dark, down tempo yet somewhat grooving stuff.

I imagine Aphex Twin is going to be the first electronic music I'll check out.

And that's cool. I dig what you dig too. It's a mood thing.

My stance on this Steven Tyler project is that this one of the better country tunes out there, IMO. Video does it no justice though.

I get my fill of dark shit in my own music.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

None of the professional electronic artists I know compose with pre-fab loops. They use hardware like Elektron (http://eu.elektron.se/synths/) and modular synths....and start from scratch.

It's a gross oversimplification to stereotype a genre that you really dont understand...

Amon Tobin is good...did a show at the Museum of Contemporary Art with his video artist years ago...the guy that designed ISAM.

I completely understand the genre and while there are some talented people working, there are millions of people that proclaim themselves as EDM producers that earn ten dollars a year.

I see it all the time in forums dedicated to composition and library music. "I made 50 tracks last month and the month before but no one will sign me."

Duh.