Chiefs Geno Smith vs Alex Smith - It's on. - Page 86

Hammock Parties · 02:56 AM

It's on now. Geno Smith is probably going to be starting for the Jets this season.

Alex Smith will be the Chiefs QB for the forseeable future. If he's a success, we'll probably get five good years out of him.

So who's gonna win more NFL games over that time period?

Put your ten pounders on the table and make a vote

Alex: 11 wins
Geno: 8 wins

chiefzilla1501 · 08-23-2013, 12:40 PM

Of those 3 teams, New Orleans has the most talent. But Brees doesn't need those guys. He's played on teams where his receivers and o-line have been really banged up, and he's the same QB.

If you acknowledge Green Bay, Indy (with Peyton), and Brady, then what exactly is your point? Great QBs make bad offensive supporting casts look really good. I don't understand why you think the solution is to try to bring in 8 elite players to support the QB, when the solution is to find 1 elite QB who can turn 8 average players into very good players.

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And in your estimation although the majority of the people on this board are already declaring Eric Fisher a bust, and the display that was shown vs the 49ers leads you to believe that the Chiefs oline is all world?

The Saints oline is very good. VERY GOOD. Especially at tackle and center.

Their Tackles are average, but their offense is miles ahead of the Chiefs.

When I am talking about Play makers, I am talking about receivers and tightends as a group. yes, Green Bays oline is poor. I understand that. And I understand that aaron Rodgers is 10 times the qb as Alex Smith, and I stated that.

Mike McCarthy liked Alex Smith when he was drafted, he would make it work with him. No, Alex Smith would not put up near the numbers that Rodgers does. Hes not that good.

Which brings me back. Alex Smith has to have superior talent around him, which he does not have in Kansas City.

He is going to have to rely on a strong special teams, defense, and Jamaal, and Bowe.

Even if you had an elite qb here, their numbers wouldn't be as great where they are. The talent isn't here.

That's what im trying to say.

just like I said. if Geno Smith struggles this year, it wont be a reflection on his talent, as much as it is on the talent around him.

O.city · 08-23-2013, 12:42 PM

If geno is talented enough, he'll raise the talent around him.

An elite generational qb doesn't need great talent around him, he makes good average talent look elite

Marcellus · 08-23-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This is a complete joke.

Did you see the abortion of a team the Colts became when they lost Peyton Manning? He played behind a shit offensive line, the worst running game in the NFL, and a rotating carousel of receivers that weren't anything remarkable beyond Reggie Wayne.

New Orleans has an okay line, an average running game, and Brees has won games behind some of the most injury-bit receiving corps out there. He was winning games with Terrence Copper as his #2 receiver at one point.

Green Bay's supporting cast is not good. They have the worst running game in the league and one of the worst offensive lines. They have good receivers when healthy, but most of those guys like Jordy Nelson and Cobb wouldn't be nearly as productive behind the wrong QB.

Tom Brady made an AFC championship game throwing to Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney as his top 2 guys.

Your point is wrong on so many levels. Elite QBs elevate the play of the team exponentially more than any other position does. That's why the idea that it's okay to settle for a good enough QB is utterly ridiculous. Our supporting cast on offense is a hell of a lot more talented than Rodgers' or Brees'.

Rodgers and Brees haven't sniffed a SB recently and wont until they fix the surrounding talent.

GB hasn't won a playoff game in 2 years.

NO hasn't won a playoff game since 2009.

Pitt has won 2 SB's and lost 1 because they have some defense and surrounding talent.

Same thing for the Giants.

The Ravens have been annual contenders because of team talent.

Any team can make a 1 year run but you need a balanced team (with a good QB) to sustain success.

NE may be an exception but thats because the Brady/BB combo is simply even better than Brees, Manning, Rodgers and basically anyone else over that span.

Hell I just looked back out of curiosity, outside of the SB run Rodgers hasn't won a playoff game before or after and he is considered to be the best QB in the NFL for years now.

9er guy · 08-23-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Of those 3 teams, New Orleans has the most talent. But Brees doesn't need those guys. He's played on teams where his receivers and o-line have been really banged up, and he's the same QB. .

Outside of Jimmy Graham, I've never thought the Saints have had game-changing dominant skill players.

Same thing with the Packers.

Those QB's make that whole thing go.

9er guy · 08-23-2013, 12:48 PM

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Rodgers and Brees haven't sniffed a SB recently .

It hasn't been that long has it?

4 years and 3 years respectively.

O.city · 08-23-2013, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Rodgers and Brees haven't sniffed a SB recently and wont until they fix the surrounding talent.

GB hasn't won a playoff game in 2 years.

NO hasn't won a playoff game since 2009.

Pitt has won 2 SB's and lost 1 because they have some defense and surrounding talent.

Same thing for the Giants.

The Ravens have been annual contenders because of team talent.

Any team can make a 1 year run but you need a balanced team to sustain success.

NE may be an exception but thats because the Brady/BB combo is simply even better than Brees, Manning, Rodgers and basically anyone else over that span.

They haven't sniffed SBs but because of said qbs, they've been and will be contenders each year.

"Any" team can't make a one year run, teams that have/get elite qb play can make a one year run.

O.city · 08-23-2013, 12:55 PM

And the reason, IMO, they haven't "sniffed" a SB, isn't because they have to play to such an elite level that the margin of error is paper thin its just nearly impossible to keep up.

Marcellus · 08-23-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They haven't sniffed SBs but because of said qbs, they've been and will be contenders each year.

"Any" team can't make a one year run, teams that have/get elite qb play can make a one year run.

I agree you have a better chance with a good QB, no shit, but fact is you need a team.

Eli and Raplisburger have 2 rings each.

You think they are better than Peyton, Rodgers and Brees?

Marcellus · 08-23-2013, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy

It hasn't been that long has it?

4 years and 3 years respectively.

Rodgers has never won a playoff game outside of their SB season and the "best QB in the NFL" has lost 2 consecutive home playoff games when they had HFA wrapped up.

Team game.

O.city · 08-23-2013, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I agree you have a better chance with a good QB, no shit, but fact is you need a team.

Eli and Raplisburger have 2 rings each.

You think they are better than Peyton, Rodgers and Brees?

Obviously not.

But that also shows that you can't just have a good team, you have to get upper level qb play to win SBs.

O.city · 08-23-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Rodgers has never won a playoff game outside of their SB season and the "best QB in the NFL" has lost 2 consecutive home playoff games when they had HFA wrapped up.

Team game.

Were the ravens the best team in the NFL last year?

Marcellus · 08-23-2013, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Were the ravens the best team in the NFL last year?

No the question is was Flacco the best QB in the NFL last year?

Before the playoffs he may have been around 15th.

To answer your question they were pretty damn balanced.

The Ravens contend year after year after year because of that, even when Flacco laid turds in the playoffs which he did many many times.

9er guy · 08-23-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Rodgers has never won a playoff game outside of their SB season and the "best QB in the NFL" has lost 2 consecutive home playoff games when they had HFA wrapped up.

Team game.

They beat Minnesota in the 1st round last year.

Marcellus · 08-23-2013, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy

They beat Minnesota in the 1st round last year.

I stand corrected, I thought they had a bye week 1 and frankly they did.

Jeff Webb?

9er guy · 08-23-2013, 01:09 PM

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I stand corrected, I thought they had a bye week 1 and frankly they did.

Jeff Webb?

Joe Webb.

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