Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18

[Discuss Thrower]

Clayton on show seems to hint that SEA would be open to non-exclusive Tag for RW in 2016- seems surprising but SEA will study all avenues

— DAVIS HSU (@DavisHsuSeattle) June 20, 2015

Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson?

Pole cumming.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Marino played in an era were receivers could be mugged by QB's and still had 98 TD's in his first three seasons. Wilson has 72 in his first three seasons with a TD% a full point less than Marino's, which is huge (6.82 vs 5.82).

That's a bad comparison.

It's not a bad comparison. Russell Wilson is head and shoulders above most QBs from every era. Observe the list. Let Claynus educate you, California Raisin.

TD percentage, first three seasons, all-time

Dan Marino 6.8
Tony Romo 6.1
Russell Wilson 5.82
Aaron Rodgers 5.53
Philip Rivers 5.5
Ben Roethlisberger 5.3
Peyton Manning 5.06
Joe Montana 4.76
Tom Brady 4.5
Matt Ryan 4.5
Brett Favre 4.36
Drew Brees 4.36

lotta guys

Alex Smith 1.73

And by the way, this doesn't even count his rushing touchdowns. The guy is an absolute monster, and anyone who doesn't see it is a jealous nimrod hell-bent on loving Alex Smith for stupid reasons.

[ThaVirus]

TD%-INT% for various QBs through their first three seasons:

Tom Brady:
4.4-2.9
4.7-2.3
4.4-2.3

Peyton Manning:
4.5-4.9
4.9-2.8
5.8-2.6

Dan Marino:
8.5-3.0
5.3-3.7
7.1-3.7

John Elway:
4.7-3.9
3.6-3.8
3.8-2.6

Andrew Luck:
3.7-2.9
4.0-1.6
6.5-2.6

Matt Ryan:
3.7-2.5
4.9-3.1
4.9-1.6

Russell Wilson:
6.6-2.5
6.4-2.2
4.4-1.5

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

It's not a bad comparison. Russell Wilson is head and shoulders above most QBs from every era. Observe the list. Let Claynus educate you, California Raisin.

TD percentage, first three seasons, all-time

Dan Marino 6.8
Tony Romo 6.1
Russell Wilson 5.82
Aaron Rodgers 5.53
Philip Rivers 5.5
Ben Roethlisberger 5.3
Peyton Manning 5.06
Joe Montana 4.76
Tom Brady 4.5
Matt Ryan 4.5
Brett Favre 4.36
Drew Brees 4.36

lotta guys

Alex Smith 1.73

And by the way, this doesn't even count his rushing touchdowns. The guy is an absolute monster, and anyone who doesn't see it is a jealous nimrod hell-bent on loving Alex Smith for stupid reasons.

Oh, yoooouuuuuuuu ****ing slut!

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

Matt Ryan has had more offensive talent in Atlanta than Wilson has ever had in Seattle, and it's not close.

So what?

Lets talk about bottom five defense versus consensus number one defense.

It all goes hand in hand, Ryan could turn their average group of receivers and tight ends into well known names with the aid of the baddest defense throwing the opposing O off the field quickly, leaving a short field for the offense.

Like I said, its a pointless debate that no one can win... most of all YOU.

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

It all goes hand in hand, Ryan could turn their average group of receivers and tight ends into well known names

If Matt Ryan is soooo much better how come his TD% in his first three seasons with BETTER offensive players doesn't come close to Russell Wilson's?

What about yards per attempt in their first three seasons? It's not even close:

Wilson 7.93
Ryan 6.96

Yeah...stick to slurping game managers.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Marshawn Lynch is good, but he's not better than the combined firepower of Atlanta's playmakers.

But even in 2013, when Julio Jones was out for most of the season, Ryan still had 4,500+ passing yards and 26 TD's on a 4-12. Atlanta's defense has just been awful during his tenure.

OTOH, Russell Wilson's most productive season was last year, when he had 3,475 passing yards. Curiously however, his TD% dropped two full points to 4.4, meaning that the more he threw the ball, the less effective he became.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

If Matt Ryan is soooo much better how come his TD% in his first three seasons with BETTER offensive players doesn't come close to Russell Wilson's?

What about yards per attempt in their first three seasons? It's not even close:

Wilson 7.93
Ryan 6.96

Seattle was three years into their rebuilding process when Wilson was drafted.

Atlanta was in their first season.

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

Yeah...stick to slurping game managers.

I didn't realize that guys that average 4,000 yards per season are now considered "Game Managers".



You ****ing twist every single conversation to your POV. What a load of horseshit.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

Because they have Graham now, and I'm sure Wilson's passing attempts will be going up a bit.

The only reason this guy hasn't blown up is because the Seahawks throw the ball so infrequently. With as much as he throws it down the field though, huge numbers are coming.

Another classic case of Clay giving excuses to other QB's but not ours.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

TD%-INT% for various QBs through their first three seasons:

Completely meaningless.

Outside of Marino and Wilson, all of the QB's you mentioned were drafted to play on bad football teams.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Outside of Marino and Wilson, all of the QB's you mentioned were drafted to play on bad football teams.

Not Ben Roethlisberger, not Philip Rivers, not Aaron Rodgers.

You lose the argument.

[Hootie]

Shut up, Clay! Dane flies first class and watches all Seahawks games from the sidelines

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Another classic case of Clay giving excuses to other QB's but not ours.

I'll give excuses to Alex when his TD% and YPA are legendary.

Even in his 11th year he hasn't approached Wilson.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I didn't realize that guys that average 4,000 yards per season are now considered "Game Managers".

I was talking about Alex Smith.

He and Russell Wilson are not similar QBs.

[RunKC]

Wilson was drafted into a top 5 talented team.

IMO this years Chiefs team has a lot of the same talent as the 2012 Seahawks team. I'm fine with the plan of Alex being here while we build the roster up as long as we draft a QB in the next year or two.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

I'll give excuses to Alex when his TD% and YPA are legendary.

Even in his 11th year he hasn't approached Wilson.

HIs last playoff game was better statistically than anything Wilson has ever done.

I can pull meaningless stats out of nowhere as well. You do that a lot. One stat gets shot down, move to another.