Chiefs CP weighs in- thoughts on a trade for RG3 - Page 8

Dante84 · 03:59 PM

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Okay, so rumor is they are trying to trade him now.

Obviously our #3 played very well. If Chase gets traded to a QB needy team for 2nd or 3rd, what are your thoughts on bringing RG3 in as our backup for a late round pick (6th, 7th)?

Is he salvageable, or did the Redskins ruin him?

Dante84 · 11-26-2014, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Or

-because they don't want the distraction and don't want Alex looking over his shoulder every week.

Well yeah, it would have to be clearly stated that RG3 is a backup and a backup only, otherwise it is dumb.

Alex shouldn't be looking over his shoulder at RG3 for at least 2 years, because Alex should be playing well.

Dante84 · 11-26-2014, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

If they trade him for a conditional pick, why wouldn't they want to send him somewhere where he has a shot at starting?

Again, there are teams who actually need a starting QB who will be able to offer better draft picks than we will be able to. If they trade him for a conditional draft pick based on production/playing time, there is no way that RG3 is coming to KC.

Good point.

If they are looking to receive a conditional pick, then I don't think we're in play at all.

Gravedigger · 11-26-2014, 05:24 PM

Bad idea, you have RG3 behind Alex Smith, when Smith struggles people will be calling for RG3 thus putting pressure on organization and the team. You don't need that drama, Chase Daniel can stay where he is.

RG3 has not panned out, Shannahan couldn't do anything with him, Gruden can't do anything with him, I'm not willing to be the third team that tries to do something with him.

tk13 · 11-26-2014, 05:30 PM

Only problem with RGIII is the thing that set him apart was his ability to run the ball. He was one of the best weapons at running the ball from the QB position we've probably ever seen. Defenses had to be ready for it. If he's not able to do that, he's not as effective at QB. I don't have his stats in front of me, but it's probably not a coincidence his best year was the same season he ran wild.

ToxSocks · 11-26-2014, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DA_T_84

Well yeah, it would have to be clearly stated that RG3 is a backup and a backup only, otherwise it is dumb.

Doesn't matter what they say. The moment the Chiefs stop winning, all of the attention will be turned to Smith and our pedestrian passing attack. Smith will get the brunt of the criticism and fans and the media will be calling for RGIII in no time, thus creating a split in the locker room.

It's the same exact story that happens every year to some shmuck of a team.

OldSchool · 11-26-2014, 05:35 PM

Another thing, the Redskins traded 3 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick for RG3. They aren't going to settle for a 5th or later pick for RG3, which is what he is actually worth according to his level of play.

I don't think that the Redskins will trade him for anything less than a conditional 2nd-3rd round pick.

Dante84 · 11-26-2014, 05:37 PM

Something else to consider.

No one is going to pay a premium pick - conditional or otherwise - because they will be getting him in a contract year, and they stand a chance to lose him to free agency.

Someone will get him for a 4th or 5th, and might lose him after just 16 games.

OldSchool · 11-26-2014, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DA_T_84

Something else to consider.

No one is going to pay a premium pick - conditional or otherwise - because they will be getting him in a contract year, and they stand a chance to lose him to free agency.

Someone will get him for a 4th or 5th, and might lose him after just 16 games.

Unless someone thinks that they can turn RG3 into their franchise QB, he'll be on the Redskins until his contract runs out.

Mr. Laz · 11-26-2014, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yep. They're not paying Alex $17 million per to look over his shoulder.

The wouldn't be trading for RGIII to be a starter either.

They would be trading for him on the cheap and hope to rehab and sell him for more.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-26-2014, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

The wouldn't be trading for RGIII to be a starter either.

They would be trading for him on the cheap and hope to rehab and sell him for more.

while I like your idea, I know the narrative wouldn't be this in the media. We're talking a huge distraction if they traded for him.

Reid could come out and scream 'ALEX IS OUR GUY. ROBERT IS THE BACKUP' and that crap is still not gonna stop the media from stirring the pot.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-26-2014, 05:58 PM

The issue with Griffin is everyone is saying he has to play like a pocket passer. Has to stop running.

Stupid. It's the threat of him running that made him so good at one time. Injury risk or not, he isn't worth a damn without this aspect of his game. Anyone trying to make him a pocket passer is wasting their time.

OldSchool · 11-26-2014, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

The issue with Griffin is everyone is saying he has to play like a pocket passer. Has to stop running.

Stupid. It's the threat of him running that made him so good at one time. Injury risk or not, he isn't worth a damn without this aspect of his game. Anyone trying to make him a pocket passer is wasting their time.

He is incapable of running effectively right now and can't function as a pocket passer. He isn't worth shit at this point, period.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-26-2014, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Another thing, the Redskins traded 3 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick for RG3. They aren't going to settle for a 5th or later pick for RG3, which is what he is actually worth according to his level of play.

I don't think that the Redskins will trade him for anything less than a conditional 2nd-3rd round pick.

Not according to LaCanfora:

Griffin will be tossed aside for good this offseason, with the Redskins lucky to get a late-round pick for an asset for which they traded so many picks to acquire -- the 6th and 38th overall picks in 2012, plus two future first-round picks, to name a few (it's worth noting that the Harvard author brought up the inherit danger in the Falcons' move for Jones, too,

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/...inflicted-woes

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-26-2014, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

The issue with Griffin is everyone is saying he has to play like a pocket passer. Has to stop running.

Stupid. It's the threat of him running that made him so good at one time. Injury risk or not, he isn't worth a damn without this aspect of his game. Anyone trying to make him a pocket passer is wasting their time.

Are you kidding? "Running" has led to two ACL tears.

If he can't become a pocket passer, his career is over, which is essentially what the Redskins are saying.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-26-2014, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Are you kidding? "Running" has led to two ACL tears.

If he can't become a pocket passer, his career is over, which is essentially what the Redskins are saying.

You reinforced what I said basically.

RG3 sucks without running. If he doesn't continue to try it, he's done.

11-26-2014, 02:12 PM
Dante84 Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ATX & OPKS Casino cash: $1251996 VARSITY	CP weighs in- thoughts on a trade for RG3 BUMP EDIT - This thread is from last year Original Post: Spoiler! Facts: - He has not played well - ~~He has not been surrounded by talent~~ - me being dumb. - He has not had consistent, great coaching or organizational structure - He has a huge arm - He is more mobile than most nfl qb's even after his knee injuries Guys on espn just said he may get dealt for a 4th or 5th. If that's the price, I would love to use one of our bazillion picks on the former heisman winner. He sits behind Alex for two years, learns Reid's offense and understands the value of making smart football decisions. He would cost very little thanks to the rookie wage scale and his now de-valued second contract. If it doesn't pan out, oh well. I love the idea. Updated/New Post: Okay, so rumor is they are trying to trade him now. Obviously our #3 played very well. If Chase gets traded to a QB needy team for 2nd or 3rd, what are your thoughts on bringing RG3 in as our backup for a late round pick (6th, 7th)? Is he salvageable, or did the Redskins ruin him? Last edited by Dante84; 08-30-2015 at 03:59 PM..
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Gravedigger Plays to win the game! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $7113101	Bad idea, you have RG3 behind Alex Smith, when Smith struggles people will be calling for RG3 thus putting pressure on organization and the team. You don't need that drama, Chase Daniel can stay where he is. RG3 has not panned out, Shannahan couldn't do anything with him, Gruden can't do anything with him, I'm not willing to be the third team that tries to do something with him.
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11-26-2014, 05:30 PM	#109
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1462500	Only problem with RGIII is the thing that set him apart was his ability to run the ball. He was one of the best weapons at running the ball from the QB position we've probably ever seen. Defenses had to be ready for it. If he's not able to do that, he's not as effective at QB. I don't have his stats in front of me, but it's probably not a coincidence his best year was the same season he ran wild.
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11-26-2014, 05:35 PM	#111
OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	Another thing, the Redskins traded 3 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick for RG3. They aren't going to settle for a 5th or later pick for RG3, which is what he is actually worth according to his level of play. I don't think that the Redskins will trade him for anything less than a conditional 2nd-3rd round pick.
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pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $9089447	The issue with Griffin is everyone is saying he has to play like a pocket passer. Has to stop running. Stupid. It's the threat of him running that made him so good at one time. Injury risk or not, he isn't worth a damn without this aspect of his game. Anyone trying to make him a pocket passer is wasting their time.
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