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Direckshun · 09-22-2014, 05:46 AM

I've been encouraged by the fight in this Chiefs team over the past two games. I think we've got what it takes to take it to a Patriots squad that is truly reeling.

I think this is the first truly good opponent we beat since we upset New Orleans a couple years ago.

Let's take a look at the roster.

At QB, Tom Brady is having about as bad of a season as he's had -- just in time for me to have him in fantasy football. Thanks, Tom. Tom's got zero rapport with most of his receivers, and he's just flat missing throws. He looks unfocused, the skill positions around him are generally poor (with the one key exception of Julian Edelman), and they've struggled mightily through three weeks.

I like Shane Vereen, and I do wonder why they don't run him more. As of now it seems they're giving Stevan Ridley most of the carries, and he's got that great combo of size and speed, but his YPA has fallen for three years now, and he's only averaging 3.4/carry this year. Vereen's got a lot more wiggle to him, averaging nearly 5 yards a carry.

At receiver, I have no ****ing idea what's going on. You have the exceptional Julian Edelmen and nobody else. Danny Amendola has two week's worth of zero catches -- is he injured? Google doesn't turn up anything for me. Aaron Dobson, Brandon LaFell, and Kenbrell Thomkins round out the receivers corps. If it wasn't for Edelman, I'd say the Chiefs hands-down have the better WR corps -- which is ****ing saying something. And even with him...

The crown jewel of their passing attack, of course, was supposed to be Gronkowski at TE. Who, all told, has looked slower than Fasano.

Say it with me now: Alex Smith has better weapons at his disposal than Tom Brady does.

I have no idea what the Patriots were doing trading Logan Mankins away, because their OL is terrible. Solder and Vollmer are unremarkable at the tackles, I suppose they're good enough, but their interior of Cannon, Wendell, and Connolly are getting slaughtered this year. Poe, Bailey, Walker and Vickerson should feast.

Their defense is a ton better.

The best player on their team as of today is probably Vance Wilfork, who is going to make our guards look silly. I don't know what the Patriots gameplan on defense is, but it probably involves sending Wilfork screaming at McGlynn or Fulton. The Patriots also have two sneaky-good DTs complimenting him in Sealver Siliga (solid runstopper) and Joe Vellano (athletic 3-tech). Of course, they also have the potentially lethal Dominique Easley, who can play both DT and DE, and has an epic first step. He has struggled to get his footing so far, but he has made a couple plays that provide glimpses into the player he could become.

Chandler Jones is their primary rush threat off the edge, and he's done well so far this year. Rob Ninkovich has been around for what seems like 10 years or so, and is playing the best football of his life under Belichek the past three years -- which is to say, fairly okay passrushing and a couple sacks a month. And the Patriots have zero depth at passrusher.

They have one of the best LB corps in the league: Jamie Collins, Jerod Mayo, and Dont'a Hightower are all 1st and 2nd round picks, one of the only 4-3 teams in the league to actually do that -- which explains why they have zero playmakers. Collins is their finesse, Hightower is their power, and Mayo can do it all in the middle of the field. It will be extremely entertaining seeing Kelce try to matching up with them in his route-running and blocking. It will be a challenge.

Brandon Browner may be out, but the Pats are still stacked with talent at corner. We are going to have to win this game without Dwayne Bowe, as he will almost certainly disappear on Revis Island. Alonzo Dennard and Kyle Arrington are a good duo of backup CBs, and I love the potential of Logan Ryan.

Patrick Chung is terrible, but paired with the excellent Devin McCourty, you've got an alright safety lineup -- albeit with zero depth behind them.

Special teams feature one of the best kickers in the game in Gostowski, a middling punter in Ryan Allen, and the great Julian Edelmen returning punts.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-25-2014, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

We'll check back in when we play the Seahawks and see how that math works out...

Oh my sweet god that's gonna' be lovely.

**Easy 6** · 09-25-2014, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by malachi47000

quick question....I have to work on Monday night late and I am going to miss most of the Patriots/Chiefs game...does someone on here record them and put them up as torrents to download? I really want to watch this game...Thanks in advance

I've never seen anything like that here, but a few minutes on google will surely dig up somewhere that does... thats the best I got

Contrarian · 09-25-2014, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 505 Chief

I don't. Didn't watch one lick of that shit yesterday.

Missed a good game then. What a fan.

GoShox · 09-25-2014, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

It's pretty hard to believe that the last time we played the Pats, Tyler Palko was king.

That was also a prime time game.

We started out up 3-0, then Wallace Gilberry forced a fumble and we got the ball with good field position.

The final score was 34-3 Pats.

Amnorix · 09-25-2014, 01:00 PM

One big factor I don't think has been discussed -- Pats lead the league in turnover differential at +6. Chiefs are last in the league at -5.

All else being equal, I don't know if the Chiefs are likely to win if they lose the turnover battle by 2 or 3 or whatever in this game.

Marcellus · 09-25-2014, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Contrarian

Missed a good game then. What a fan.

Its ironic that a person who doesn't even watch the games has the nuts to run around here mouthing everyone and telling them whats up.

If you don't even attempt to watch the games,

.

The hilarity is he calls a Chiefs win "shit". I think we know what and or who the actual "shit" is.

Marcellus · 09-25-2014, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

One big factor I don't think has been discussed -- Pats lead the league in turnover differential at +6. Chiefs are last in the league at -5.

All else being equal, I don't know if the Chiefs are likely to win if they lose the turnover battle by 2 or 3 or whatever in this game.

Yea we haven't forced a single turnover. Mainly due to INT's being dropped by DB's and a few fumbles going right back to the defender. We also had the refs blow a call on a fumble we recovered in the Denver game.

3 of the turnovers we committed were week 1.

That being said, if we are more than -1 in turnovers we have absolutely no shot.

Dunerdr · 09-25-2014, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

We'll check back in when we play the Seahawks and see how that math works out...

Well Denver beat us and Seattle bean Denver that means we lose. I'll check the math in November!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-25-2014, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Its ironic that a person who doesn't even watch the games has the nuts to run around here mouthing everyone and telling them whats up.

If you don't even attempt to watch the games,

.

The hilarity is he calls a Chiefs win "shit". I think we know what and or who the actual "shit" is.

Better things to do in life than be invested in yet another ChiefsFAIL.

Again:

Chiefsplanet = fun

KC Chiefs = pfffffft / nocurr.

ViperVisor · 09-25-2014, 03:15 PM

I really doubt NE is gonna expose Brady to the pass rush.
They are gonna run 30+ times.

And on the passes they will be quick so if a rusher jumps back into coverage they could pick him off.
Brady should of had an INT last week when he forced a throw to Gronk when pressured. It was such a bad pass nobody could catch it.

DeathByArrows · 09-25-2014, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperVisor

I really doubt NE is gonna expose Brady to the pass rush.
They are gonna run 30+ times.

And on the passes they will be quick so if a rusher jumps back into coverage they could pick him off.
Brady should of had an INT last week when he forced a throw to Gronk when pressured. It was such a bad pass nobody could catch it.

After the beating Miami put on him in week one, he's been seeing ghosts ever since. The blue print on how to beat him has always been out there, it's just that his line has been fantastic and there are only a handful of teams each year who have had a pass rush to do something about it and a quarterback to go with it. Teams were also always too scared to play man coverage on top of it, which bothered me. Playing zone against Manning and Brady =

Three7s · 09-25-2014, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperVisor

I really doubt NE is gonna expose Brady to the pass rush.
They are gonna run 30+ times.
And on the passes they will be quick so if a rusher jumps back into coverage they could pick him off.
Brady should of had an INT last week when he forced a throw to Gronk when pressured. It was such a bad pass nobody could catch it.

This worries me. The Chiefs have not been good in run defense, so far.

Hammock Parties · 09-25-2014, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

This worries me. The Chiefs have not been good in run defense, so far.

This is classic Belichickian strategy.

The Chiefs offensive line and receivers are not good, so Belichick knows his defense can keep the score low.

They will pound the rock 40+ times I bet.

beach tribe · 09-26-2014, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

This is classic Belichickian strategy.

The Chiefs offensive line and receivers are not good, so Belichick knows his defense can keep the score low.

They will pound the rock 40+ times I bet.

So will we.

crazycoffey · 09-26-2014, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

This is classic Belichickian strategy.

The Chiefs offensive line and receivers are not good, so Belichick knows his defense can keep the score low.

They will pound the rock 40+ times I bet.

Bull, Brady and BB want to throw, I'd bet BB and Brady throw more than they run. Name the price

09-22-2014, 05:46 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	Let's talk about the Patriots. I've been encouraged by the fight in this Chiefs team over the past two games. I think we've got what it takes to take it to a Patriots squad that is truly reeling. I think this is the first truly good opponent we beat since we upset New Orleans a couple years ago. Let's take a look at the roster. At QB, Tom Brady is having about as bad of a season as he's had -- just in time for me to have him in fantasy football. Thanks, Tom. Tom's got zero rapport with most of his receivers, and he's just flat missing throws. He looks unfocused, the skill positions around him are generally poor (with the one key exception of Julian Edelman), and they've struggled mightily through three weeks. I like Shane Vereen, and I do wonder why they don't run him more. As of now it seems they're giving Stevan Ridley most of the carries, and he's got that great combo of size and speed, but his YPA has fallen for three years now, and he's only averaging 3.4/carry this year. Vereen's got a lot more wiggle to him, averaging nearly 5 yards a carry. At receiver, I have no **ing idea what's going on. You have the exceptional Julian Edelmen and nobody else. Danny Amendola has two week's worth of zero catches -- is he injured? Google doesn't turn up anything for me. Aaron Dobson, Brandon LaFell, and Kenbrell Thomkins round out the receivers corps. If it wasn't for Edelman, I'd say the Chiefs hands-down have the better WR corps -- which is **ing saying something. And even with him... The crown jewel of their passing attack, of course, was supposed to be Gronkowski at TE. Who, all told, has looked slower than Fasano. Say it with me now: Alex Smith has better weapons at his disposal than Tom Brady does. I have no idea what the Patriots were doing trading Logan Mankins away, because their OL is terrible. Solder and Vollmer are unremarkable at the tackles, I suppose they're good enough, but their interior of Cannon, Wendell, and Connolly are getting slaughtered this year. Poe, Bailey, Walker and Vickerson should feast. Their defense is a ton better. The best player on their team as of today is probably Vance Wilfork, who is going to make our guards look silly. I don't know what the Patriots gameplan on defense is, but it probably involves sending Wilfork screaming at McGlynn or Fulton. The Patriots also have two sneaky-good DTs complimenting him in Sealver Siliga (solid runstopper) and Joe Vellano (athletic 3-tech). Of course, they also have the potentially lethal Dominique Easley, who can play both DT and DE, and has an epic first step. He has struggled to get his footing so far, but he has made a couple plays that provide glimpses into the player he could become. Chandler Jones is their primary rush threat off the edge, and he's done well so far this year. Rob Ninkovich has been around for what seems like 10 years or so, and is playing the best football of his life under Belichek the past three years -- which is to say, fairly okay passrushing and a couple sacks a month. And the Patriots have zero depth at passrusher. They have one of the best LB corps in the league: Jamie Collins, Jerod Mayo, and Dont'a Hightower are all 1st and 2nd round picks, one of the only 4-3 teams in the league to actually do that -- which explains why they have zero playmakers. Collins is their finesse, Hightower is their power, and Mayo can do it all in the middle of the field. It will be extremely entertaining seeing Kelce try to matching up with them in his route-running and blocking. It will be a challenge. Brandon Browner may be out, but the Pats are still stacked with talent at corner. We are going to have to win this game without Dwayne Bowe, as he will almost certainly disappear on Revis Island. Alonzo Dennard and Kyle Arrington are a good duo of backup CBs, and I love the potential of Logan Ryan. Patrick Chung is terrible, but paired with the excellent Devin McCourty, you've got an alright safety lineup -- albeit with zero depth behind them. Special teams feature one of the best kickers in the game in Gostowski, a middling punter in Ryan Allen, and the great Julian Edelmen returning punts.
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Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	One big factor I don't think has been discussed -- Pats lead the league in turnover differential at +6. Chiefs are last in the league at -5. All else being equal, I don't know if the Chiefs are likely to win if they lose the turnover battle by 2 or 3 or whatever in this game. __________________ "I love signature blocks on the Internet. I get to put whatever the hell I want in quotes, pick a pretend author, and bang, it's like he really said it." George Washington
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ViperVisor Veteran Join Date: Mar 2013 Casino cash: $10019798	I really doubt NE is gonna expose Brady to the pass rush. They are gonna run 30+ times. And on the passes they will be quick so if a rusher jumps back into coverage they could pick him off. Brady should of had an INT last week when he forced a throw to Gronk when pressured. It was such a bad pass nobody could catch it.
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