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Old 12-14-2012, 09:36 AM  
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Bills GM: 'Time is now' to trade up for a QB
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In what has become a weekly discussion of his franchise's quarterback situation, Bills GM Buddy Nix suggested Friday that he's keen on trading up to address the position in this year's draft.

"Let me say this: I think there's a time that in the era that you're in and the development of your team, there's a time when you can move up a round to take a quarterback," Nix said. "And I think the time's now for us ... We need a good, young quarterback, and we're going to do our best to get him." Nix has waffled a bit on the issue, but has essentially conceded that Ryan Fitzpatrick is not the solution.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:26 PM   #106
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So should we just throw up our hands then?

I mean, that's where we've arrived at isn't it?
See my post below
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:29 PM   #107
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Current franchise QBs who were not considered "elite" at the time they were drafted:
1) Tom Brady
2) Drew Brees
3) Matt Ryan
4) Ben Roethlisberger
5) Matt Schaub
6) Josh Freeman
7) Philip Rivers
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:38 PM   #108
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I love how it's either one extreme or the other around here constantly.
We're likely to have the #1 overall pick for the first and only time in franchise history.

That is the DEFINITION of "extreme".
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:40 PM   #109
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Current franchise QBs who were not considered "elite" at the time they were drafted:
1) Tom Brady
2) Drew Brees
3) Matt Ryan
4) Ben Roethlisberger
5) Matt Schaub
6) Josh Freeman
7) Philip Rivers
Amongst many of the scouting services, Ryan and Rivers were absolutely considered elite prospects. They weren't consensus like Eli Manning but they were considered elite prospects. Freeman and Roethlisberger were in that "next" group ala Ryan Tannehill last year.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:41 PM   #110
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We're likely to have the #1 overall pick for the first and only time in franchise history.

That is the DEFINITION of "extreme".
That doesn't mean everybody has to go full reerun. "We should have drafted Jimmy Clausen" is ****ing reeruned.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:42 PM   #111
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That doesn't mean everybody has to go full reerun. "We should have drafted Jimmy Clausen" is ****ing reeruned.
Would we be better off now with Jimmy Clausen? Maybe.

Would we be worse off now with Jimmy Clausen? No.

Pretty cut and dried to me.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:47 PM   #112
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Would we be better off now with Jimmy Clausen? Maybe.

Would we be worse off now with Jimmy Clausen? No.

Pretty cut and dried to me.
Sums up my take.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:48 PM   #113
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That doesn't mean everybody has to go full reerun. "We should have drafted Jimmy Clausen" is ****ing reeruned.
We should be drafting the highest rated qb every year until we find one that works. Then we build the team around him.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:49 PM   #114
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Current franchise QBs who were not considered "elite" at the time they were drafted:
1) Tom Brady
2) Drew Brees
3) Matt Ryan
4) Ben Roethlisberger
5) Matt Schaub
6) Josh Freeman
7) Philip Rivers
Please define"franchise" QB. Thank you.
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I love how it's either one extreme or the other around here constantly.
What do we stand to gain from all the draft picks we'll have coming in?

ILBs, DTs, CBs, and WRs. ****ING YIPPEE.

You also have to take into account that probably 75% of those guys won't work out in the pros. If we're lucky ONE of them will be an elite player that we need at those spots.

All while missing out on the best QB in the draft.

There. I've entertained the possibility of a trade down. I gave it serious thought. For another team like the 0-16 Detroit Lions, that may have been the thing to do. For the Kansas City Chiefs, where we already have good players, just a ****ing black hole at QB, that's NOT the right thing to do. At all.
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That doesn't mean everybody has to go full reerun. "We should have drafted Jimmy Clausen" is ****ing reeruned.
I'm not sure where you're going with this. Are you saying the top QBs in this draft are as bad as Jimmy Clausen?

If so, then YOU'RE the one being reeruned.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:57 PM   #117
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I'm not sure where you're going with this. Are you saying the top QBs in this draft are as bad as Jimmy Clausen?

If so, then YOU'RE the one being reeruned.
No, he's saying we did the right thing by passing on Clausen because Clausen has ultimately turned out to not be very good.

The problem with that thinking is that EVERY QB coming out is nothing but potential. At the time Clausen was drafted, he had potential. The situation in Carolina didn't turn out.

But that doesn't mean he would have flamed out here. He might have - he also might have flourished under Weis the same way Matt ****ing Cassel did.

Who knows, maybe the disagreement over Cassel never happens, Weis never leaves, and we're headed towards the playoffs right now?

The point is that we will NEVER KNOW because the team is too scared to take a ****ing risk.
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No, he's saying we did the right thing by passing on Clausen because Clausen has ultimately turned out to not be very good.

The problem with that thinking is that EVERY QB coming out is nothing but potential. At the time Clausen was drafted, he had potential. The situation in Carolina didn't turn out.

But that doesn't mean he would have flamed out here. He might have - he also might have flourished under Weis the same way Matt ****ing Cassel did.

Who knows, maybe the disagreement over Cassel never happens, Weis never leaves, and we're headed towards the playoffs right now?

The point is that we will NEVER KNOW because the team is too scared to take a ****ing risk.
Exactly, should have kept Weis. Can't be changing OC's every off season and ****ing up the chemistry.
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I'm not sure where you're going with this. Are you saying the top QBs in this draft are as bad as Jimmy Clausen?

If so, then YOU'RE the one being reeruned.
It never fails. Somebody interjects some reason into an argument involving drafting a QB and it turns into "You're scared to draft a QB". I personally am in favor of staying where they are and drafting a QB. But only an idiot doesn't acknowledge the possibility that none of these QBs are good enough to draft #1 overall, and the possibility that the next GM of this team would rather have a bunch of draft picks and what he thinks is as good a QB later.
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The point is that we will NEVER KNOW because Pioli is too scared to take a ****ing risk.
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