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**BossChief** · 12-16-2014, 11:05 AM

I know there has been a lot of talk about this topic and I just want to see what the majority of the people here think the biggest issue is that causes the offense to underperform.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-17-2014, 04:47 AM

Smith's regression to scurred bitch puts him at the top, followed by Fatass McSchizo and his Chinese phone book of plays.

Then comes O-line and WR.

Coochie liquor · 12-17-2014, 05:33 AM

I just hope our WR and OL coaches are let go after this season. Those 2 areas are tee wrecks and they are regressing.

Aspengc8 · 12-17-2014, 06:29 AM

Running game problems: Oline is very 'meh' at best. Fasano & Kelce not really setting the edge well when they are playside.

Passing game: Smith's alarm clock goes off too early, throws the underneath read even if they are covered or next level is open.

just my $.02 from watching replays.

milkman · 12-17-2014, 10:21 AM

Am I the only that reads the poll question that wonders, with all these shortcomings, how the hell does anyone think they are underperforming?

RunKC · 12-17-2014, 10:37 AM

The OL is a known, but this right here is what this offense hasn't had all year and it should be the biggest need of the offseason.

Has anyone seen this play ran effectively this year by a speed receiver? We've ran it a few times with Kelce and tried with DAT, but Avery is an experienced route runner with speed.

We need guys who can get open fast and can get the quick YAC on a dime. DAT is the closest thing we have and he's still learning how to play WR and run routes.

ThaVirus · 12-17-2014, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The OL is a known, but this right here is what this offense hasn't had all year and it should be the biggest need of the offseason.

Has anyone seen this play ran effectively this year by a speed receiver? We've ran it a few times with Kelce and tried with DAT, but Avery is an experienced route runner with speed.

We need guys who can get open fast and can get the quick YAC on a dime. DAT is the closest thing we have and he's still learning how to play WR and run routes.

Without double checking, I think that's the a similar type of play we ran to Bowe on that 3rd and 19 in Arizona.

The blocking wasn't near as good on the play to Bowe this year but he made it work himself.

O.city · 12-17-2014, 10:55 AM

It's a wr screen on 3rd and 20. Of course he gets open quick, the DBS are turni and running at the snap.

JENKINSWINS · 12-17-2014, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Chances are Smith would have missed Charles with the pass anyway. Case in point, remember how he missed a wide open DAT(?) for a sure TD Sunday against the Faid.

The guy that replaced him in SF and was supposed to be able to carry a team missed passes to wide open Boldin and Vernon Davis, Sunday against the Seahawks.

ThaVirus · 12-17-2014, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS

The guy that replaced him in SF and was supposed to be able to carry a team missed passes to wide open Boldin and Vernon Davis, Sunday against the Seahawks.

We don't care.

RunKC · 12-17-2014, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

It's a wr screen on 3rd and 20. Of course he gets open quick, the DBS are turni and running at the snap.

You're not getting it. Here's another example.

when teams blitz you need a guy who can get open fast and take advantage. Yes Alex hasn't read some of these and adjusted, but you're foolish if you think we have anyone who can do this consistently.

AJ Jenkins sucks and can't get run routes this year. He's not the guy. And Avery sucks too.
We need a fast type of WR (or two) who can run routes well and get YAC in a hurry.

Bowe has been great, but most of the year teams doubled him and we didn't have anyone else to go to. Next year add someone with Bowe and it will be much better.

Jakemall · 12-17-2014, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant

Alex Smith gets paid the big bucks to throw the ball accurately.

How does Alex rank on Accuracy this year?

Jakemall · 12-17-2014, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Am I the only that reads the poll question that wonders, with all these shortcomings, how the hell does anyone think they are underperforming?

who is they?

Frosty · 12-17-2014, 11:36 AM

I, too, have wondered where that underneath crossing pattern went.

BTW, 99 is hilarious in the above clip.

Frosty · 12-17-2014, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall

How does Alex rank on Accuracy this year?

It's got to be low. He is constantly throwing behind the receivers on the short passes and overthrowing the longer ones.

ViperVisor · 12-17-2014, 11:38 AM

Offensive Line.

This info is a week old.

Smith's avg time to when he attempts a pass is 2.42 seconds

Why?
Because,
58% of the time Smith's dropbacks are 2.5 seconds or less.

Why?
Because Reid and Co. saw how utter crap the O-Line played all summer and preseason.
The offense has been put into a box by this first and foremost.
Only have been sacked 4 times during these quick dropbacks.

But hasn't Smith been sacked 38 times? Yes.
So we know 42% of the dropbacks have been 2.6 seconds or longer. And 34 sacks.

42% is under 200 dropbacks and 34 sacks.
Smith is getting sacked slightly more than 1 out of every 6 dropbacks he doesn't throw in 2.5 seconds.

Is he holding the ball way too long? No, not really.
The avg time to all his sacks is 3.40 seconds.

Comparison to a few other QBs sacks
Kaepernick 3.77
Rodgers 4.07
or the worst Geno 4.43

Remember the pass Smith couldn't make on the mark to Bowe for about 15 yards Sunday? Pressure was pushed into Smith in the form of Fisher. Throw was a little off and Bowe couldn't adjust to it.

Game 1 @ OAK didn't get to Carr much.
SF @ OAK didn't get to Carr much.
Sunday you get to Carr and he failed all over the place.

PIT has had little success getting sacks this year. KC has Houston and a nice rush. If that plays out KC has a good chance to win.

View Poll Results: What's the offenses biggest weakness
Alex Smith	29	23.02%
The offensive line	67	53.17%
The wide receivers	13	10.32%
Play calling	11	8.73%
Something else	6	4.76%
Voters: 126. You may not vote on this poll

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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $1719611	The OL is a known, but this right here is what this offense hasn't had all year and it should be the biggest need of the offseason. Has anyone seen this play ran effectively this year by a speed receiver? We've ran it a few times with Kelce and tried with DAT, but Avery is an experienced route runner with speed. We need guys who can get open fast and can get the quick YAC on a dime. DAT is the closest thing we have and he's still learning how to play WR and run routes. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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12-17-2014, 11:36 AM	#118
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12-17-2014, 11:38 AM	#120
ViperVisor Veteran Join Date: Mar 2013 Casino cash: $10019798	Offensive Line. This info is a week old. Smith's avg time to when he attempts a pass is 2.42 seconds Why? Because, 58% of the time Smith's dropbacks are 2.5 seconds or less. Why? Because Reid and Co. saw how utter crap the O-Line played all summer and preseason. The offense has been put into a box by this first and foremost. Only have been sacked 4 times during these quick dropbacks. But hasn't Smith been sacked 38 times? Yes. So we know 42% of the dropbacks have been 2.6 seconds or longer. And 34 sacks. 42% is under 200 dropbacks and 34 sacks. Smith is getting sacked slightly more than 1 out of every 6 dropbacks he doesn't throw in 2.5 seconds. Is he holding the ball way too long? No, not really. The avg time to all his sacks is 3.40 seconds. Comparison to a few other QBs sacks Kaepernick 3.77 Rodgers 4.07 or the worst Geno 4.43 Remember the pass Smith couldn't make on the mark to Bowe for about 15 yards Sunday? Pressure was pushed into Smith in the form of Fisher. Throw was a little off and Bowe couldn't adjust to it. Game 1 @ OAK didn't get to Carr much. SF @ OAK didn't get to Carr much. Sunday you get to Carr and he failed all over the place. PIT has had little success getting sacks this year. KC has Houston and a nice rush. If that plays out KC has a good chance to win. Last edited by ViperVisor; 12-17-2014 at 11:56 AM..
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