Chiefs Teicher: Chiefs seem adrift while Raiders ride momentum - Page 8

Eleazar · 06-25-2017, 08:37 AM

Chiefs seem adrift while Raiders ride momentum

Adam Teicher
ESPN Staff Writer

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The most notable event of the week for one AFC West favorite came when the Oakland Raiders signed their franchise quarterback, Derek Carr, to a five-year contract extension.

The most notable event of the week for the division's other top contender came when the Kansas City Chiefs announced -- one month before the start of training camp -- they were looking to hire a new general manager.

Talk about a tale of two franchises. Carr and Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie were all smiles at Friday's news conference to announce the quarterback's contract. Carr, even though he's now the highest-paid player in NFL history, talked about his desire to leave some money for teammates who are also due for a raise. McKenzie talked about his desire to get that accomplished.

Meanwhile, the Chiefs hid behind a prepared statement that didn't explain their reasons for letting go of general manager John Dorsey.

In Oakland, they have a plan. With Carr signed for the long term, McKenzie and the Raiders are free to secure some of their other good, young players such as linebacker Khalil Mack, offensive lineman Gabe Jackson and wide receiver Amari Cooper.

In Kansas City, the Chiefs don't have a plan or if they do, they need a better one. Looking for a GM with training camp looming should never be a part of the script.

The week's developments in Oakland and in Kansas City won't necessarily determine the course of the AFC West race in 2017 and for years to come. They will make things more difficult for the Chiefs, who tied with the Raiders at 12-4 last season but won the AFC West title because they swept the two games against Oakland.

Both teams until recently looked as if they had sustainability. The Raiders have many good, young players and the financial resources to keep them around for a while. The Chiefs are well coached by Andy Reid and his staff and also have a talented roster that was being continually restocked because of Dorsey's smart drafting. The Chiefs in April drafted Patrick Mahomes II, perhaps giving them an eventual franchise quarterback of their own.

Suddenly, it's natural to wonder about the Chiefs, who don't look as if they're being guided by any well-thought-out plan. Early in June, they released their most accomplished and experienced wide receiver, Jeremy Maclin, two years after signing him as a free agent.

Now, after discussing a contract extension with Dorsey earlier in the offseason, they're looking for his replacement. That task is more daunting given the mixed results from chairman Clark Hunt in hiring GMs. Dorsey was a good hire. The previous general manager, Scott Pioli, was not.

Hunt needs to get this one right. The Chiefs have to keep up with their rivals in Oakland, who have a general manager, money to burn and a smart plan.

The Chiefs, for the moment, have none of the three.

http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city...-ride-momentum

splatbass · 06-25-2017, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Chiefs. 47 years and counting.

Must not be much fun spending your life as a glass half empty kind of guy. Never having any hope. You are depressing me.

**cdcox** · 06-25-2017, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Must not be much fun spending your life as a glass half empty kind of guy. Never having any hope. You are depressing me.

It is 47 years AND we just made another of many head-scratcher decisions. Chiefiness.

splatbass · 06-25-2017, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

It is 47 years AND we just made another of many head-scratcher decisions. Chiefiness.

But there are a lot of reasons to be hopeful for the future. You just have to allow yourself, and maybe pull the stick out of your ass.

**cdcox** · 06-25-2017, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

But there are a lot of reasons to be hopeful for the future. You just have to allow yourself, and maybe pull the stick out of your ass.

Most of the reasons to be hopeful for the future are related to decisions that Dorsey has made.

Reerun_KC · 06-25-2017, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Must not be much fun spending your life as a glass half empty kind of guy. Never having any hope. You are depressing me.

Life is full here...

New grandbaby
Landed top 5 flying job in all of Oklahoma
Challenger 604 school coming up
Wife semi retired @ 43
Our software is slowly taking off

I don't let the chiefs franchise define my life, therefore my arrow is always pointing up...

**New World Order** · 06-25-2017, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Jon

I thought it was all rigged. Why do you care?

You might as well be bitching about how the WWE is pushing Brock Lesnar or Alexa Bliss.

It's like The Attitude Era.

Scripted, but it's must watch

Halfcan · 06-25-2017, 10:19 PM

So the Faders - who got their asses kicked by us twice last year- suddenly have all this momentum against us because we let Dorsey go?

Stupid bullshit article.

Mile High Mania · 06-25-2017, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

So the Faders - who got their asses kicked by us twice last year- suddenly have all this momentum against us because we let Dorsey go?

Stupid bullshit article.

I think the Raiders can definitely point to a number of things as positives heading in to 2017. KC has a new QB that might be ready in 2018, they let Maclin go and just gave Reid all the power he wants and dropped Dorsey -- who had been pimped by most around here as a football god that had turned around KC's fortunes.

Now, he's bad at cap management and totally not a big deal anymore (by some)...

Good teams don't normally find themselves looking for new GMs at this point in the season. I'm not suggesting KC will fall to pieces because they lost their GM, but I do think this speaks volumes about the way the team is run and what to expect from Reid with all the chips on his side of the table at this point. What kind of GM will they get? It will be a yes man.

splatbass · 06-25-2017, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Good teams don't normally find themselves looking for new GMs at this point in the season.

Yet KC is a good team...

Chiefshrink · 06-25-2017, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

It will be a yes man.

Just like your new head coach VJ who will be Denver's version of Herm Edwards. Welcome to the John "Carl Peterson" Elway era

Nothing personal MHM, I like ya my friend.

**cdcox** · 06-25-2017, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Just like your new head coach VJ who will be Denver's version of Herm Edwards. Welcome to the John "Carl Peterson" Elway era

Nothing personal MHM, I like ya my friend.

Deflection.

MHM nailed it. Whoever the next GM is will have a complient communication and management style. If they know something about football it will be a plus.

Mile High Mania · 06-25-2017, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Yet KC is a good team...

Which is why I said 'don't normally'... looks like a Reid power grab, dunno if that's a key to long-term success or not.

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Just like your new head coach VJ who will be Denver's version of Herm Edwards. Welcome to the John "Carl Peterson" Elway era

Nothing personal MHM, I like ya my friend.

He may very well be, we'll see... I don't know if he's going to be worth it or not, but I'd rather take a chance on a new guy than take a retread or the son of Shanahan.

splatbass · 06-25-2017, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Which is why I said 'don't normally'... looks like a Reid power grab, dunno if that's a key to long-term success or not.

You have no information to base "looks like a Reid power grab" on, yet you still said it.

Rasputin · 06-25-2017, 11:15 PM

I'm not a Andy Reid guy but think he is the best coach in the division and far out superior over Jack Del Rio.

Jiu Jitsu Jon · 06-26-2017, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

It's like The Attitude Era.

Scripted, but it's must watch

And then bitching about how Triple H lost.

06-25-2017, 08:37 AM
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Teicher: Chiefs seem adrift while Raiders ride momentum Chiefs seem adrift while Raiders ride momentum Adam Teicher ESPN Staff Writer KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The most notable event of the week for one AFC West favorite came when the Oakland Raiders signed their franchise quarterback, Derek Carr, to a five-year contract extension. The most notable event of the week for the division's other top contender came when the Kansas City Chiefs announced -- one month before the start of training camp -- they were looking to hire a new general manager. Talk about a tale of two franchises. Carr and Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie were all smiles at Friday's news conference to announce the quarterback's contract. Carr, even though he's now the highest-paid player in NFL history, talked about his desire to leave some money for teammates who are also due for a raise. McKenzie talked about his desire to get that accomplished. Meanwhile, the Chiefs hid behind a prepared statement that didn't explain their reasons for letting go of general manager John Dorsey. In Oakland, they have a plan. With Carr signed for the long term, McKenzie and the Raiders are free to secure some of their other good, young players such as linebacker Khalil Mack, offensive lineman Gabe Jackson and wide receiver Amari Cooper. In Kansas City, the Chiefs don't have a plan or if they do, they need a better one. Looking for a GM with training camp looming should never be a part of the script. The week's developments in Oakland and in Kansas City won't necessarily determine the course of the AFC West race in 2017 and for years to come. They will make things more difficult for the Chiefs, who tied with the Raiders at 12-4 last season but won the AFC West title because they swept the two games against Oakland. Both teams until recently looked as if they had sustainability. The Raiders have many good, young players and the financial resources to keep them around for a while. The Chiefs are well coached by Andy Reid and his staff and also have a talented roster that was being continually restocked because of Dorsey's smart drafting. The Chiefs in April drafted Patrick Mahomes II, perhaps giving them an eventual franchise quarterback of their own. Suddenly, it's natural to wonder about the Chiefs, who don't look as if they're being guided by any well-thought-out plan. Early in June, they released their most accomplished and experienced wide receiver, Jeremy Maclin, two years after signing him as a free agent. Now, after discussing a contract extension with Dorsey earlier in the offseason, they're looking for his replacement. That task is more daunting given the mixed results from chairman Clark Hunt in hiring GMs. Dorsey was a good hire. The previous general manager, Scott Pioli, was not. Hunt needs to get this one right. The Chiefs have to keep up with their rivals in Oakland, who have a general manager, money to burn and a smart plan. The Chiefs, for the moment, have none of the three. http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city...-ride-momentum
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