Chiefs Chiefs vs Texans predictions - Page 8

TLO · 09-07-2015, 07:28 AM

Chiefs 20
Texans 10

O.city · 09-08-2015, 01:20 PM

I also think Wilson is going to be a better WR than some here give him credit.

duncan_idaho · 09-08-2015, 01:30 PM

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I also think Wilson is going to be a better WR than some here give him credit.

I think he's going to be a solid No. 2 receiver. Nothing spectacular, but effective, especially since he'll be facing single coverage almost exclusively.

Chiefnj2 · 09-08-2015, 01:31 PM

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Hopkins vs Peters worries me.

Watt vs Fisher worries me.

I think it is going to be a matter of one or two plays for the Texans. In preseason Peters was beaten a few times on long balls but the throws were off. If the Texans can capitalize on one or two plays like that and take a lead against KC, it could turn the game for them. Luckily for the Chiefs, they have the more talented team. As long as Andy doesn't pull a Titans 2014 game plan, they should be able to play conservatively, dink and dunk and win a low scoring match.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-08-2015, 01:45 PM

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The only "If" there is JJ Watt remaining an elite player, and there's no reason to believe he's anywhere close to a decline (coming off his best season as a pro). Their front 7 is Watt, Wilfork, Jared Crick (who's just as good as any of the Chiefs DEs), Whitney Mercilus, Brian Cushing, Jadaveon Clowney and Akeem Dent. That's a pretty talented unit that stacks up pretty comparably with the Chiefs front 7, to anyone who isn't a Chiefs homer. (Both are elite front 7s).

Whitney Mercilus and Akeem Dent stand up to Houston and Hali? Clowney, whose done nothing in an NFL uniform is equal to DeVito or Bailey?

You're smoking crack, Dude. JFC.

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Teams are not scared of the Chiefs passing game, outside of screen passes to Jamaal Charles. Why would they be? Adding Jeremy Maclin doesn't just bandaid the whole thing. Alex Smith is still a risk-averse QB. The receivers are all still incredibly questionable besides Maclin.

Kelce is good, but he has yet proven to be a game-changing TE capable of impacting a game like Tony Gonzalez or Antonio Gates, for example, in their prime.

JFC, really?

Kelce's season last year destroyed Gonazales rookie and had more than his second year. Maclin's presence, along with Wilson and DAT's speed, will open up the short and intermediate passing routes as well as running lanes for Charles.

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YOU think the OL is going to be improved. Many Chiefs fans do. Other teams likely look at the Chiefs OL and see one proven player (Grubbs), two completely unproven guys (Morse and LDT), an average-at-best guy (Fisher), and a JAG (Donald Stephenson).

More nonsense.

The Chiefs line has definitely improved from LT to RT over last year's abomination. Stephenson played very well in 2013 and again in the preseason at left tackle. Grubbs is a tremendous upgrade to McGlynn. Morse will grow as the season continues, LDT is clearly more athletic than Fulton and Fisher is an upgrade over Ryan Harris or Jeff Allen and certainly Stephenson.

I don't care if Morse and LDT are "unproven" entering the season because they've shown enough talent to start the season and by the time it's over, both will have had successful seasons, especially Morse.

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The Chiefs were a bottom 10 run defense in 2013 WITH those players. There are reasons to be optimistic, sure, but it has to show out on the field.

Losing Justin Houston and to a lessor extent, Hali, in 2013 affected the Chiefs defense.

But let's not pretend the Chiefs are going up against Adrian Peterson on Sunday. They're not even facing Arian Foster.

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Those guys are "meh" to fans of teams that aren't the Chiefs. Just like Jared Crick is apparently "meh" to you. But that shouldn't surprise me .... you seem to think handling the best defensive player in the NFL is not a big deal at all.

Jared Crick.

The guy has 3.5 sacks playing in the worst division in the NFL with the Titans and Jaguars. Come on.

I never said it wasn't a "big deal" to face Watts but I don't think he'll be making every tackle of Charles, nor will he be in Smith's face all day. Andy Reid is pretty smart about scheming plays away from good players.

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And none of yours are written without red-and-mustard glasses.

Absolutely not. But your "arguments" are weak at best.

Good grief.

TEX · 09-08-2015, 01:58 PM

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I think it is going to be a matter of one or two plays for the Texans. In preseason Peters was beaten a few times on long balls but the throws were off. If the Texans can capitalize on one or two plays like that and take a lead against KC, it could turn the game for them. Luckily for the Chiefs, they have the more talented team. As long as Andy doesn't pull a Titans 2014 game plan, they should be able to play conservatively, dink and dunk and win a low scoring match.

That's exactly the case. I'm thinking the Chiefs find a way to win a close one, something like 20-16.

Pasta Little Brioni · 09-08-2015, 02:12 PM

Duncan's football takes are pretty bad in this thread. Did he really just try to prop up a bunch of average to below average Texans while scolding Chief fans for doing the same?

duncan_idaho · 09-08-2015, 02:16 PM

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Whitney Mercilus and Akeem Dent stand up to Houston and Hali? Clowney, whose done nothing in an NFL uniform is equal to DeVito or Bailey?

You're smoking crack, Dude. JFC.

I'm talking about the front 7 as a whole, man.

Watt and Hosuton are the lynchpins of their respective defenses. Let's start by comparing them. Most non-Chiefs fans would say Watt is the better player, without really blinking or thinking hard about it (and that's fair). They are certainly comparable and both among the most elite individual defenders in the NFL.

Beyond that, let's look at the other six players and compare them:

Howard, DeVito, Bailey, Hali, Johnson, Mauga
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Crick, Wilfork, Clowney, Mercilous, Dent, Cushing

Yeah, I think those units stack up pretty well against each other. I would give a small edge to the Texans unit.

Akeem Dent stands up just fine next to Josh Mauga. Neither is more than JAG.

Wilfork stands up against Poe, even when Poe is 100 percent healthy, and would reasonably be expected to be better than Howard.

Cushing and Derrick Johnson are very similar, though Cushing is younger.

Crick, Bailey, and DeVito are all role players. Crick and Bailey are similar players. YOU'RE smoking crack if you think there's a GM in the NFL who would prefer Bailey or DeVito to Jadaveon Clowney.

Mercilous is not as good as Hali or Houston, obviously, at the other OLB spot, but he's a better player at his position than the Chiefs' counterpart for Watt.

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JFC, really?

Kelce's season last year destroyed Gonazales rookie and had more than his second year. Maclin's presence, along with Wilson and DAT's speed, will open up the short and intermediate passing routes as well as running lanes for Charles.

I didn't say he wasn't good. I said he wasn't someone that "scares" other teams.

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More nonsense.

The Chiefs line has definitely improved from LT to RT over last year's abomination. Stephenson played very well in 2013 and again in the preseason at left tackle. Grubbs is a tremendous upgrade to McGlynn. Morse will grow as the season continues, LDT is clearly more athletic than Fulton and Fisher is an upgrade over Ryan Harris or Jeff Allen and certainly Stephenson.

I don't care if Morse and LDT are "unproven" entering the season because they've shown enough talent to start the season and by the time it's over, both will have had successful seasons, especially Morse.

Everything you're saying here is speculation. Chiefs fans might buy it. Other teams/other fans? Not so much.

What is known is that the Chiefs have likely upgraded at LG. Most would expect they have downgraded at C. RG, RT, and LT all remain huge question marks. Everything that has happened so far at those spots looks like shuffling deck chairs.

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Losing Justin Houston and to a lessor extent, Hali, in 2013 affected the Chiefs defense.

But let's not pretend the Chiefs are going up against Adrian Peterson on Sunday. They're not even facing Arian Foster.

The Chiefs have been a bottom 10 run defense in the NFL the past two seasons, no matter what reasons you want to apply to that.

Teams don't HAVE to be a great running team to run effectively against bottom 10 run defenses. That's why they're bottom 10 run defenses (if it took a great running game to be effective against them, they would a middle-of-the-pack to good run defense, not bottom 10).

I hope they've improved. But you can't just say it's going to happen, undoubtedly.

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Jared Crick.

The guy has 3.5 sacks playing in the worst division in the NFL with the Titans and Jaguars. Come on.

I never said it wasn't a "big deal" to face Watts but I don't think he'll be making every tackle of Charles, nor will he be in Smith's face all day. Andy Reid is pretty smart about scheming plays away from good players.

Crick = Allen Bailey.

Regarding Watt... think about Justin Houston. Do you expect other teams to have to go to great lengths to control him? Do you expect that to create opportunities for everyone around him? It's the same thing.

I think if an opposing fan told you they expected players the equivalent of Eric Fisher and Ryan Harris to neutralize Justin Houston, you'd laugh your ass off.

Bottom line is that both of these teams have tremendous front 7s, each anchored by a game-changing defender who is not easily neutralized.

Chiefnj2 · 09-08-2015, 02:20 PM

Kelce's biggest limiting factor is Andy Reid.

saphojunkie · 09-08-2015, 02:28 PM

The Texans last year beat:

Washington
Oakland
Tennessee
Jacksonville
Buffalo
Baltimore

They don't exactly have a lot of reason to puff out their chest for having lost to nearly every good team they faced last year:

Giants
Cowboys
Colts
Steelers
Eagles
Bengals

In fact, it's a dead heat between Buffalo and Houston for the worst team with a winning record last year.

In fact, the vaunted Houston defense was actually 16th overall in total defense. 21st against the pass.

Granted, their offense was much better than KC's, but without Foster, Johnson, and sporting a new QB, I'm not sure why anyone is sweating this game so hard.

saphojunkie · 09-08-2015, 02:29 PM

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Kelce's biggest limiting factor is Andy Reid.

wut

Sandy Vagina · 09-08-2015, 02:35 PM

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**DaneMcCloud** · 09-08-2015, 02:36 PM

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I'm talking about the front 7 as a whole, man.

I'm going to make this simple: I disagree with your analysis of the Texans on the whole.

They're not a good football team, they have no depth and while they have a few nice players, they should not scare any NFL team, especially the Chiefs.

If the Chiefs lose on Sunday, it'll be a classic case of the Chiefs playing to the level of their opponent and not because the Texans beat them.

duncan_idaho · 09-08-2015, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

The Texans last year beat:

Washington
Oakland
Tennessee
Jacksonville
Buffalo
Baltimore

They don't exactly have a lot of reason to puff out their chest for having lost to nearly every good team they faced last year:

Giants
Cowboys
Colts
Steelers
Eagles
Bengals

In fact, it's a dead heat between Buffalo and Houston for the worst team with a winning record last year.

In fact, the vaunted Houston defense was actually 16th overall in total defense. 21st against the pass.

Granted, their offense was much better than KC's, but without Foster, Johnson, and sporting a new QB, I'm not sure why anyone is sweating this game so hard.

Texans Notables, Defense:

They might have ranked 17th in Total Defense, but they were tied for 5th in the NFL in Yards Per Play with (guess who? The Kansas City Chiefs). Their total defense rank was a result of the number of plays they faced.

They led the NFL in takeaways, with 34

They had the 7th best scoring D in the league, at 19.2

They were 10th against the run, allowing just 4.0 YPC

And while they were 21st in pure passing yards, the Texans were 7th in YPA, at 6.7

It was a top 10 defense, and it wouldn't be a surprise at all if it was better this season.

duncan_idaho · 09-08-2015, 02:46 PM

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I'm going to make this simple: I disagree with your analysis of the Texans on the whole.

They're not a good football team, they have no depth and while they have a few nice players, they should not scare any NFL team, especially the Chiefs.

If the Chiefs lose on Sunday, it'll be a classic case of the Chiefs playing to the level of their opponent and not because the Texans beat them.

I'm going to make this simple: I disagree with your analysis of the Texans on the whole.

While not a perfect team and possessing some flaws, their defense is a good, top 10 NFL unit, with an established superstar and several other good players, especially on the front 7.

They're not a great NFL football team, but they're a good NFL team that will be a good challenge on the road. You might take it as an extreme negative if the Chiefs lose to them, but I'll take it as a very positive sign if the Chiefs BEAT them.

I think, in general, where you and I really don't see eye-to-eye is that several times this offseason, you have looked at other playoff-contending teams around the league and called them "not good football teams" because of their flaws, while ignoring that the same can be said of Chiefs by those who aren't Chiefs fans.

O.city · 09-08-2015, 02:49 PM

Takeaways are normally luck driven, so I don't think they'll be that again.

Hopefully the chiefs have more luck this year

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