The Dark Knight Rises *Spoilers* Thread

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by JD10367

I think Nolan threw in the "You should use your full name... Robin" as just a bonus to fans. This film played fast-and-loose with the Batman canon. "Robin" is fully grown and a police officer, sharing only an orphan background with Wayne/Grayson (no silly carnival/acrobat crappola). The ending simply affirms, if this is the end of the road for Nolan/Bale, that the idea of Batman will live on (hence the rebuilt Batsignal telling Gordon that Wayne's alive, providing a beacon to scare criminals, AND summon the possible "new" Batman). Does JGL become Batman #2? Does he become Robin? Does he bypass Robin and immediately become Nightwing? Many possibilities.

As for an "Inception"-like ending, it's pretty clear that it's real. Wayne fixed the autopilot six months ago. The pearls are missing. The whole point of Clean Slate is the ability to erase your past (which both Catwoman and Batman wanted to do, and did do). I would like to think that, in the future of this version of the Batman word, Batman stays retired and enjoys living again while JGL takes up the job of protecting the city. I mean, he'd already been retired for 8 years, and his body clearly isn't holding up well despite from coming back from the back injury inflicted by Bane.

Also, for those unhappy with the speed of that recovery, note that for time-compression purposes they didn't actually say his back was broken, but that he ultimately had a protruding vertebrae (hence the reason he could rehab in 5 months).

Agreed. Also, I bet people aren't thrilled with how

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Batman was somehow able to ditch the Batwing and avoid the blast.

Though I think it's pretty obvious if you paid attention during the movie.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Agreed. Also, I bet people aren't thrilled with how

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Batman was somehow able to ditch the Batwing and avoid the blast.

Though I think it's pretty obvious if you paid attention during the movie.

I don't understand why they wouldn't be okay with him escaping the explosion, though.

Like you said, it was mentioned during the movie.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

I don't understand why they wouldn't be okay with him escaping the explosion, though.

Like you said, it was mentioned during the movie.

No, not the

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auto-pilot bug being fixed.

I'm guessing people are wondering

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how he ejected from the Batwing and still avoided the blast. Unless you were really paying attention, you'd wonder how he was in the cockpit over the ocean with less than 5 seconds to spare and still escaped the nuke blast.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No, not the

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auto-pilot bug being fixed.

I'm guessing people are wondering

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how he ejected from the Batwing and still avoided the blast. Unless you were really paying attention, you'd wonder how he was in the cockpit over the ocean with less than 5 seconds to spare and still escaped the nuke blast.

I guess I missed it too then. Please enlighten me.

[OnTheWarpath15]

For Rams Fan, or anyone else wondering WTF I'm talking about in the previous post - my theory before I leave for a 7:00 showing:

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There were multiple Batwings, just like there were multiple Tumblers. If you remember the scene in which Fox says, "it (Batwing) also comes in black" the Batwing at Wayne Enterprises is grey.

I'll confirm tonight, but I remember the Batwing flying the nuke out to sea was black.

Remember while on the bridge, and Blake sees an explosion and says, "it's beginning"? I think that's when Batman makes the switch to an alternate Batwing (and there must be at least three if my theory is true, one destroyed in the blast, one that reveals the auto-pilot bug was patched and the one that I'm theorizing Batman used to get away.

I believe that the view of the Batwing carrying the nuke out to sea is from the viewpoint of Bruce, in the other Batwing.

Make sense? Or complete bullshit?

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No, not the

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auto-pilot bug being fixed.

I'm guessing people are wondering

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how he ejected from the Batwing and still avoided the blast. Unless you were really paying attention, you'd wonder how he was in the cockpit over the ocean with less than 5 seconds to spare and still escaped the nuke blast.

Ah, then yeah, I guess I missed that part.

I've already seen it twice. I don't think I caught that in either showing.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Also, for those unhappy with the speed of that recovery, note that for time-compression purposes they didn't actually say his back was broken, but that he ultimately had a protruding vertebrae (hence the reason he could rehab in 5 months).

How does Batman's back mend in the comics?

[Barret]

I dont understand 1 thing. If Robin is to take over at the end, where is he going to get the funding for "toys" and vehicles and all that stuff? Bruce Wayne sold off the assets in the Mansion to cover expenses that had occurred and then donated the Mansion to be a boys home.

[JD10367]

The way the scene is edited, we can extrapolate "extra time" in there. They show Batman at the controls, then they show a long-distant shot,then they show the timer at 0:05. That doesn't necessarily mean he was at the controls at 0:07. Given the speed of the Batplane, it's possible he could've been at the edge of the blast radius.

Or maybe his buddy Superman swooped in and grabbed him, I dunno.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by JD10367

The way the scene is edited, we can extrapolate "extra time" in there. They show Batman at the controls, then they show a long-distant shot,then they show the timer at 0:05. That doesn't necessarily mean he was at the controls at 0:07. Given the speed of the Batplane, it's possible he could've been at the edge of the blast radius.

Or maybe his buddy Superman swooped in and grabbed him, I dunno.

It also doesn't mean he was necessarily piloting the Batwing that as carrying the nuke. Seeing it again in 30 minutes, will pay better attention to that scene.

[tk13]

Isn't it possible he just dropped the thing in the water? The Batwing outran missiles earlier in the film... it had speed. I'd have to watch that scene again.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by tk13

Isn't it possible he just dropped the thing in the water? The Batwing outran missiles earlier in the film... it had speed. I'd have to watch that scene again.

When they show the counter at 0:05 there is no indication that it's under water. They state in the film that the blast radius is six miles. Hence, from bomb detonation point, you'd have to be three miles away. To fly three miles in one minute you'd have to be moving at 180MPH. When you add it all up, it seems like the Batplane is toast.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by JD10367

When they show the counter at 0:05 there is no indication that it's under water. They state in the film that the blast radius is six miles. Hence, from bomb detonation point, you'd have to be three miles away. To fly three miles in one minute you'd have to be moving at 180MPH. When you add it all up, it seems like the Batplane is toast.

Yep. I made a point to pay close attention during my second viewing tonight.

He couldn't have dropped it in the bay, as JD just pointed out.

So that leaves two options:

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Either he bailed out at some point over the water, and let auto-pilot take over. Unlikely he'd survive considering it's winter-time, the rivers were iced over, the water in the bay would be freezing.

Or, he bailed just after struggling to gain enough altitude to clear that building (was the Bat Lucious took the EMP out of on top of this building?) with the explosion (Blake's "it's starting" comment on bridge") creating a diversion for the switch?

Again, maybe I'm off base here, but I really think there are three Bats.

1.) After the Wall Street scene, Bruce comes back to Wayne Manor in a Bat, and parks it in the cave.

2.) The next time we see a Bat, it's parked on the roof of a building - the Bat Fox takes the EMP out of.

3.) There is a gray, unpainted Bat in Applied Sciences in the beginning of the movie, and this appears to be the same Bat that techs are looking at with Fox at the end - they claim the auto-pilot software was patched 6 months ago.

All three could have been in play. We know at least two of them were.

The only other thing I can think of if he didn't physically switch Bats is that he flew out to sea, and the cockpit itself broke into a smaller vehicle, much like the BatPod did when the Tumbler was incapacitated. He then flew off, letting the auto-pilot take over for what was left of the Bat.

You'd have to think someone would notice this though, which makes me think he bailed earlier, potentially under the cover of that exploding building.

[scorpio]

Apparently John Blake does appear in the comics, however briefly:

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yep. I made a point to pay close attention during my second viewing tonight.

He couldn't have dropped it in the bay, as JD just pointed out.

So that leaves two options:

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Either he bailed out at some point over the water, and let auto-pilot take over. Unlikely he'd survive considering it's winter-time, the rivers were iced over, the water in the bay would be freezing.

Or, he bailed just after struggling to gain enough altitude to clear that building (was the Bat Lucious took the EMP out of on top of this building?) with the explosion (Blake's "it's starting" comment on bridge") creating a diversion for the switch?

Again, maybe I'm off base here, but I really think there are three Bats.

1.) After the Wall Street scene, Bruce comes back to Wayne Manor in a Bat, and parks it in the cave.

2.) The next time we see a Bat, it's parked on the roof of a building - the Bat Fox takes the EMP out of.

3.) There is a gray, unpainted Bat in Applied Sciences in the beginning of the movie, and this appears to be the same Bat that techs are looking at with Fox at the end - they claim the auto-pilot software was patched 6 months ago.

All three could have been in play. We know at least two of them were.

The only other thing I can think of if he didn't physically switch Bats is that he flew out to sea, and the cockpit itself broke into a smaller vehicle, much like the BatPod did when the Tumbler was incapacitated. He then flew off, letting the auto-pilot take over for what was left of the Bat.

You'd have to think someone would notice this though, which makes me think he bailed earlier, potentially under the cover of that exploding building.

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