how shady or legit is the NFL ?

[Crying Ramtard]

http://spaces.covers.com/blog/Maximu...or-Profit.html

http://thefixisin.net/nfl.html

I'm not betting my farm on how true this is but it makes a lot of sense to me. The NFL is an entertainment business and can bend a games outcome when they so choose.

So during a game between the Pittsburgh Steelers and the San Diego Chargers the Steelers were favored by 3. Nearly 70 percent of the betting public was on Pittsburgh, with a reported $100 million in potential earnings. The score with less than a minute to go, 11-10 Pittsburgh and SD with the ball. After an errant lateral gets knocked away by Troy Polamalu, he scoops it and scores. The score is now 17-10, there is no time left, all teams head to the locker room, fans go to cash their tickets.

After several minutes of debate, the refs overturn the call, restoring a meaningless TD off the board making the final score 11-10, the Steelers win, the public loses. What I found to be most odd about it is the league's explanation of a "forward pass". The pass was ruled forward although it is obvious it was a backwards lateral. When I got home, I starting thinking that things were just to good to be true.

Sportscenter reported the money lost in Vegas and almost joked about it. They were literally laughing. So after this bad beat, I held around some serious thoughts about the legitimacy of pro football.

An opportunity came up in my graduate school where I was to write my project on any topic I was to choose. So I chose researching the "Showbiz manipulations of the NFL". I picked up several books including Dan Moldea's "Interference: How Organized Crimes Influence Professional Football", Brian Touhy's "The Fix Is In" , Roger L. Martins "Fixing the Game". I checked out several TV Marketing books from the college library and also several TV Business books.

I utilized my rights under the Freedom of Information Act passed by President Lyndon Johnson in 1966 to access over 40 years of FBI files on the NFL although some information was redacted. Here's what I found:

.

Contrary to popular belief and to what he NFL wants you to think, there have been fixed games in league history. On page 308 of Dan Moldea's book "Interference" he lists over 70 NFL games that have been fixed and includes the names of the 2 referees involved in fixing those games. He also lists interviews with NFL HOF players most notably KC Chiefs QB Len Dawson. He, in detail with documented facts supported by FBI documents, has interviews with NFL players and known gambling associates to uncover massive game fixing in the league. He also notes, with evidence, throughout the book that no fewer than 26 NFL team owners have or have had continuous and developing relationships with the gambling world, most notably the Rooney, Bidwill, and Mara families all getting their starts as Bookmakers for established mid-west crime families and buying their NFL franchises with moneys earned from gambling. So that in and of itself is a hypocrisy number 1 on the NFL's "lilly white" reputation.

NFL Referees are part-time employees of the NFL. They are not employees of any team nor do they get paid anywhere close to the sums of NBA refs. NFL refs make between $25K to $70K per season. They work for the league and do what the league tells them to do. They are not there for "the integrity of the game". Referees, unlike other sports, are bound by NFL mandated gag orders which prevent them from talking to the media.

2. The NFL possesses an Anti-Trust Exemption to the law granted to it by President John F. Kennedy, which ultimately allows the NFL to classify itself as "entertainment" rather than sport, as well as incorporate itself as a single entity instead of the 32 separate "franchises" they would want you to believe. Contrary to the perception of the NFL being 32 separate franchises battling it out for gridiron supremacy. In a franchised environment, such as McDonalds (Business 101), each franchise is individually owned and operated and can participate in national promotions, have its own local promotions, or abstain from participating (hence the fine print in commercials saying "at participating locations".

This keeps the regionality of competition in tact without having to compete on a national level. MLB has this status, the NFL does not. Instead, since the NFL has this Anti-Trust exemption, it is able to package its teams in order to sell to national television companies, which today totals $6 Billion in revenue for the league. That is 75% of the leagues total annual revenue. In a 2004 lawsuit vs the NFL, the NFL attorney Gregg H. Levy argued that "the NFL is not a collection of 32 individual teams, but rather a single entity. And as long as the NFL teams are a unit, and they compete as a unit in the entertainment marketplace, then they should be deemed a single unit and not subject to any Anti-Trust laws."

There is only another "sports" organization that I can think of that follows this, the WWE. Levy also argued that the league markets its products and merchandise as a whole to promote the NFL as a whole. These arguments led all the way to lockout during the 2011 offseason. The league would still earn $5 Billion in revenue, even without a single game being played.

Professional sports is the only industry without ANY federal oversight. Therefore the league can do and go as they see fit, this is something the players were concerned about going into the lockout, the NFL players themselves sought help from US Congress asking for oversight of the NFL. And NFL players wanted an explanation as to why the NFL owners were granted an Anti-Trust exemption in the first place. They didn't get it.

The NFL proved in this lawsuit that they see themselves as a single unit in the "entertainment" industry and the unique league revenue sharing strategy is not common amongst professional sports leagues.

Robert Kraft and John Mara are two of the most business savvy and highly respected NFL owners. Kraft is in charge of the NFL TV broadcast committee and also leads all television negotiations for the NFL. Kraft also is on the board of directors for Viacom, the parent company of CBS, one of NFL's broadcasters. This past Spring, Robert Kraft negotiated a record TV deal for the NFL which will result in $24 Billion in revenue with CBS, FOX, ESPN and NBC. Kraft and Mara also brought both parties to the table and led all negotiations in ending the lockout.

Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank was interviewed saying "It is predetermined that these two teams would be here, I wish my team was selected to be in the Super Bowl one day, but these two gentlemen deserve it". And the Giants posted themselves as victors before the game, the NFL claimed it was "an overzealous employee".

The 49ers need a new stadium, with the same players as Mike Singletary, and a Alex Smith in a contract year, the 49ers post a 13-3 record and make it to the NFC Championship. But what they don't tell you is how the stadium deal is structured. 80% of the funding comes from Bank of America and US Bank. 20% financed by the State of California using tax dollars.

The 49ers have pledged to pay back the State in 5 seasons with help from revenue sharing from NFL owners. What better way to pay someone back quickly than with packed stadiums and extra playoff game revenue.

On MNF they found themselves in a blackout. Steelers safety Ryan Clark said "it was to show the league they need a new stadium and the 49ers caused the blackout". Why would he say this if shadiness wasn't common practice? You can view his opinions here: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9...off-his-rocker.

Ravens players complained that the 2007 Patriots were " being handed games by refs" in their quest for perfection. And I have over 40 years of information on NFL business dealings and how these owners "miraculously" found themselves holding the Lombardi Trophy.

Let's look at the 2011 season and see how television ratings connected with some of the league's most important games, and quickly view how the referees controlled games.

Week 1: NFL Announces ESPN will pay $1billion per game of MNF through the 2021 season. In a tribute to 9/11 20 million + viewers tuned in as the Jets mounted a magic 14 point comeback over the Cowboys. Number of penalties called the Jets = 0

Week 2: The NFL's rule changes make for a more exciting game as scoring is way up. Much like the AFL days of the 60's, 72% of the games went over the total and TV ratings are now through the roof. The league emphasises "the year of the QB".

Week 3: Packers vs Bears: The Bears return a punt return for a TD which would've ultimately allowed them to cover the spread. Instead a fantom holding call overturned the TD. It was the 10th penalty of the game for the Bears vs. 1 penalty for the Packers. You can see the play here: http://youtu.be/_w-pXfjbYHk

Week 6: The Beginning of the Tim Tebow Era. Tim Tebow has a HUGE, and I mean HUGE Christian following. The guy can't hit a barn, but a decent athlete. Yet as the third string QB he is thrust into the starting role and the team magically "changes the entire offense" in a matter of weeks to suit him? Tebow was the number 1 jersey seller for the league without even stepping foot on the field. It was time to make him a star and they did ripping off several "magical" victories with poultry statistics. These teams were handing them games. If you didn't notice this, all I need to say it two words : Marion Barber. All the while the NFL is forcing religion down our throats with God's quarterback.

Week 7: The Jags are close to a sale, the possible new owners just need one more hint of encouragement to prevent buyers remorse. In come the Ravens. After the Saints destruction of the Colts on SNF. Vegas was in trouble. ESPN was in trouble because no one was going to watch this snore fest. The Ravens didn't get a first down until late in the fourth quarter and the Jags win with 4 FG's. Sale complete, Vegas wins. You lose.

[Crying Ramtard]

Originally Posted by notorious

I think you go way to far with it, though.


What is more probable is one referee making a "break" call during important parts of the game.

you don't need that when all the employees work for the same company. Its an entertainment business.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by ram29jackson

you don't need that when all the employees work for the same company. Its an entertainment business.

I think you stumbled on something brilliant. To ensure there's no shenanigans between employees of the same company, the NFL should play hockey against the NBA using MLB umpires.

[Mile High Mania]

I guess... maybe if the play were one that made you question the validity of the score, sure... maybe you could say something odd about the fist bump. But, I think it's a whole lot of nothing. Funny though.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by ram29jackson

you don't need that when all the employees work for the same company. Its an entertainment business.

And in all these years not a single one has talked. Even the government has their Edward Snowden and Bradley (Chelsea) Manning types leaking national security information, but the NFL doesn't have one single leak in something far less important - entertainment as you say.

Amazing. The NFL has managed to keep a tighter lid on things that the US Government and the Mafia - both of whom have far harsher punishments for people who give away secrets.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by splatbass

And in all these years not a single one has talked. Even the government has their Edward Snowden and Bradley (Chelsea) Manning types leaking national security information, but the NFL doesn't have one single leak in something far less important - entertainment as you say.

Amazing. The NFL has managed to keep a tighter lid on things that the US Government and the Mafia - both of whom have far harsher punishments for people who give away secrets.

That is where his theory is flawed.

[Crying Ramtard]

Originally Posted by splatbass

And in all these years not a single one has talked. Even the government has their Edward Snowden and Bradley (Chelsea) Manning types leaking national security information, but the NFL doesn't have one single leak in something far less important - entertainment as you say.

Amazing. The NFL has managed to keep a tighter lid on things that the US Government and the Mafia - both of whom have far harsher punishments for people who give away secrets.

its a grander scale of the same principle. Theres plenty you know about your place of work or friends but say nothing so you don't get fired or cause problems.

plenty of books have been written,you just choose to remain ignorant.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by splatbass

And in all these years not a single one has talked.

Art Schlicter
Len Dawson
Bubba Smith
Terrell Suggs
Ray Lewis

Plenty of players have said that the league is rigged.

After all I've seen, I know it is.

I know how my favorite cartoon is made.

It's okay...I'm a grown man with no emotional attachments to something as asinine as a ****ing football team comprised of overpaid, UNDERPRACTICED, men - children who have no bearing on me and my real life.

The NFL is rigged. Bottom line.

If you watched that game yesterday with an actual objectiveness as opposed to 'NFL fan' perspective, you'd KNOW it.

Rigged.

[Nzoner]

Originally Posted by eDave

Hey Ramjackoff.

Gonna need you to explain why the refs were for AZ today. You know, the Superbowl hosts. You know, the team who you are convinced took Palmer out to keep AZ down?

Why help that team now?

Just a thought but maybe that one game was more to keep KC in the loss column as the over/under on total Chiefs wins back in August was 8.5

If you have money on the over which I'm assuming a lot do based on last seasons team you were feeling pretty damn great sitting at 7-3 and having just beaten the world champs and going on the road to face an 0-10 division rival,now,shit just got real interesting on that bet.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Art Schlicter
Len Dawson
Bubba Smith
Terrell Suggs
Ray Lewis

Plenty of players have said that the league is rigged.

After all I've seen, I know it is.

I know how my favorite cartoon is made.

It's okay...I'm a grown man with no emotional attachments to something as asinine as a ****ing football team comprised of overpaid, UNDERPRACTICED, men - children who have no bearing on me and my real life.

The NFL is rigged. Bottom line.

If you watched that game yesterday with an actual objectiveness as opposed to 'NFL fan' perspective, you'd KNOW it.

Rigged.

Dawson, Suggs and Lewis never "talked." Why do you keep repeating this lie?

[Crying Ramtard]

Originally Posted by splatbass

And in all these years not a single one has talked. Even the government has their Edward Snowden and Bradley (Chelsea) Manning types leaking national security information, but the NFL doesn't have one single leak in something far less important - entertainment as you say.

Amazing. The NFL has managed to keep a tighter lid on things that the US Government and the Mafia - both of whom have far harsher punishments for people who give away secrets.

the world wide catholic church kept a 50 year secret. That was actually something wrong that happened.

theres nothing wrong with running around and catching a ball for two years for a couple million. Who's going to complain about that ?

every major college football player is a dishonest lying jerk. Not hardly any of them have seen a class room. They are already living a lie.
no one has ever had a long winded discussion with any player about how a football game was played and what strategy was involved. All you ever see is stupid little edited comments that are just general sports clichés.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Sully

Dawson, Suggs and Lewis never "talked." Why do you keep repeating this lie?

http://thebiglead.com/2013/10/01/ter...bowl-blackout/

Terrell Suggs, for reasons probably only known to him, is still mad about the Super Bowl power outage in February. Even though the Ravens beat the 49ers, 34-31, the linebacker still appears to be upset about the*lights going out in the Super Dome*and he thinks he knows who was behind it.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

In an interview with Lisa Salters on E:60 which airs Tuesday night, Suggs suggests the commish “had a hand” in turning out the lights.*From the Baltimore Sun:

Suggs: “I was like Vegas, parlor tricks, you know what I mean?* I was like, ahh, Roger Goodell, he never stops, he always has something up his sleeve. He just couldn’t let us have this one in a landslide huh?”

Salters: “So you think Roger Goodell had turned the lights out?”

Suggs: “I thought he had a hand in it. Most definitely, he had a hand in it.

Suggs also thought it was fishy Goodell was chit-chatting with Broncos team president John Elway prior to their playoff game with the Ravens.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-york-responds

As noted by*Nate Davis*of*USA Today,*Lewis, quarterback Joe Flacco and head coach John Harbaugh were interviewed as part of NFL Films'*America's Game*series, which chronicles many of the greatest teams in NFL history.*During Lewis' portion of the interview, he questioned the circumstances surrounding the highly-publicized blackout, which caused a delay and allowed the San Francisco 49ers to get back in the game:

I'm not gonna accuse nobody of nothing — because I don't know facts. But you're a zillion-dollar company, and your lights go out? No. (Laughs) No way.

The blackout occurred in the third quarter with Baltimore leading by a score of 28-6. The delay lasted for 34 minutes, and the Niners were noticeably better after the stoppage. San Francisco nearly battled all the way back but ultimately fell 34-31. If not for a controversial, late stop in the red zone by the Ravens, the 49ers very well may have come back to win.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

If you watched that game yesterday with an actual objectiveness as opposed to 'NFL fan' perspective, you'd KNOW it.

Rigged.

I saw the plays, and am completely objective, because I honestly don't give a darn whether Arizona or KC won (except for a mild rooting interest for the Chiefs due to my many years on here, but hardly enough to generate true bias), and I disagree.

How is it, exactly, that EVERY fanbase thinks the refs are out to screw THEIR team? Go read Patriots boards. Broncos boards. The teams that many here are convinced OWN the refs have fans that are equally convinced the refs are completely out to screw them.

The bottom line is that human error happens, especially in the tenth of a second that refs have to make a call. Fans, with modern technology, spend ridiculous amounts of time watching replays from every angle and still often disagree about what the call should've been, but refs are supposed to be PERFECT, or else it's RIGGED!! Ya right.

[Crying Ramtard]

Originally Posted by Sully

Dawson, Suggs and Lewis never "talked." Why do you keep repeating this lie?

"Some things you can cover up, and some things up can't."

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

http://thebiglead.com/2013/10/01/ter...bowl-blackout/

You guys understand that the average player doesn't exactly have a stellar IQ, or any more of an insight into whether the league is rigged or not than Joe Fan does, right?

If the NFL wanted the Ravens to lose, I'm sure taht COULD HAVE BEEN ARRANGED, and in a much more subtle fashion than turning off the lights. JFC.

[Amnorix]

Lights went out on the Boston Bruins during Stanley Cup matches about 25 years ago too. I'm sure that was the evil hand of the NHL!!