MU ****Official 2018 Missouri Tigers Football Thread**** - Page 75

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10:24 PM

The beginning of the 2018 season is a little under five weeks away. Missouri enters the year projected to finish 4th in the East, and may be a borderline Top 25 team according to some projection systems. After a disappointing recruiting cycle last year, pressure is on Odom to restock the cupboard after the senior years of Lock and Beckner, who will go down as two of the better Tigers in history and likely first round draft picks.

Schedule:

Spoiler!

Recruiting:

Spoiler!

At this point, the class is ranked 68-69 nationally by Rivals and 24/7. Odom is going to have to rely on Pinkel's diamond-in-the-rough approach. It looks like they've pulled back considerably from Georgia, focusing more upon Texas, which is what they should have always done. Unfortunately, they've done horrific in-state, and I think that will likely end up being the nail in Odom's coffin after the 2019 season.

12/19 Update: A strong finish late in the cycle moved the class up significantly. Securing commitments from grad transfer Kelly Bryant and TCU transfer Shawn Robinson has solidified the QB position in the short and intermediate term. A class that was ranked in the 60's at the beginning of the season is now a top 20-30 class factoring in transfers.

Hamas' Crystal Ball: 8-4; 4-4 in the SEC (wins vs. Ark, Tenn, Vandy, Kentucky)

Sassy Squatch · 11-25-2018, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

yes, that is what I'm asking. Are you suggesting you'd be a huge fan if he had recruited a QB that you knew?

On a related note, I think Mizzou fans are going to love Conner Bezelak (offers from BC, Georgia, Iowa, Kentucky, West Virginia, etc.), but they'll have to, likely, wait a year. Dude is top 15-20 pro style QB in the country.

Maybe a QB that was worth a shit would suffice? We're all clamoring in excitement for Clemsons sloppy seconds because our QB situation ****ing sucks.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-25-2018, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

What does "pro-style" mean these days? Does it mean "can diagnose defenses" or "strong arm for deep outs" or "slow and immobile" or something completely different? Maybe what I'm really asking is how does top 15-20 pro style rank against all qbs?

Not sure on the specifics, but it likely puts him in the top 25 or so of ALL QBs, if that helps.

BryanBusby · 11-25-2018, 08:03 PM

I don't think I'd take a Louisville threat seriously. Football is secondary at Louisville, what they can afford will be difficult since they have to pay out Petrino and they still have the whole Pitino mess.

The program is a total shit heap that he'd have to rebuild from nothing.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-25-2018, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I don't think I'd take a Louisville threat seriously. Football is secondary at Louisville, what they can afford will be difficult since they have to pay out Petrino and they still have the whole Pitino mess.

The program is a total shit heap that he'd have to rebuild from nothing.

True, but Mizzou isn't paying Odom. At all. I'm not sure where he ranks in the SEC in terms of pay, but I'm guessing it's near the bottom.

BryanBusby · 11-25-2018, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

True, but Mizzou isn't paying Odom. At all. I'm not sure where he ranks in the SEC in terms of pay, but I'm guessing it's near the bottom.

Oh, he's down there. I don't think Louisville can afford to bump his pay enough to entice him into a dogshit situation.

His agent is angling for a raise that Odom will get.

ChiefsCountry · 11-25-2018, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

I thought this was his dream job? If he walks who do we go after?

ChiefsCountry · 11-25-2018, 08:19 PM

But in all reality you can tell Odom's agent is trying for a pay raise. Louisville job, big article in the Post-Dispatch as well.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/colu...67cb9f066.html

I could also see Odom looking to get out before the fire gets to hot.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-25-2018, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

What does "pro-style" mean these days? Does it mean "can diagnose defenses" or "strong arm for deep outs" or "slow and immobile" or something completely different? Maybe what I'm really asking is how does top 15-20 pro style rank against all qbs?

Dual Threat: James Franklin
Pro-Style: Drew Lock

BryanBusby · 11-25-2018, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

But in all reality you can tell Odom's agent is trying for a pay raise. Louisville job, big article in the Post-Dispatch as well.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/colu...67cb9f066.html

I could also see Odom looking to get out before the fire gets to hot.

I would say that if Odom jumps ship to Louisville, it'd be awfully telling what Jim Sterk thought about him.

Odom will get a raise (Norvell makes more at Memphis, lol) and more money for the asst pool.

ChiefsCountry · 11-25-2018, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I would say that if Odom jumps ship to Louisville, it'd be awfully telling what Jim Sterk thought about him.

Odom will get a raise (Norvell makes more at Memphis, lol) and more money for the asst pool.

Or Sterk wants his own hire.

Jerm · 11-26-2018, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TrebMaxx

Link or are you just throwing shit on the wall to see if it sticks?

It was all over Twitter yesterday and Gabe from PowerMizzou confirmed it and was talking about it over there.

Jerm · 11-26-2018, 06:03 AM

BTW I'm not claiming to be an insider or have info or anything but I was talking to a buddy of mine that lives in STL last night about this...

He wines and dines with Mizzou big wigs, donors, etc. and basically told me Odom isn't the "Mizzou true son" all the local media love to make him out to be and would leave Mizzou in a heartbeat for the right offer....lateral or not.

I'm not saying he's leaving for Louisville or Colorado but I don't see it as 100% he'll stay just because Mizzou is his alma mater.

duncan_idaho · 11-26-2018, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Or Sterk wants his own hire.

Scary thought. Sterk’s hiring record with football coaches isn’t good.

Granted, it was Washington State, but it still is sobering to look at who he has hired for football.

I also have been told Brady Hoke is on his list of potential replacements. Which is terrifying.

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I would say that if Odom jumps ship to Louisville, it'd be awfully telling what Jim Sterk thought about him.

Odom will get a raise (Norvell makes more at Memphis, lol) and more money for the asst pool.

As he should at this point. He’s the lowest paid coach in the SEC and has the smallest assistant pool. That needs to be corrected.

OmahaChief · 11-26-2018, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

BTW I'm not claiming to be an insider or have info or anything but I was talking to a buddy of mine that lives in STL last night about this...

He wines and dines with Mizzou big wigs, donors, etc. and basically told me Odom isn't the "Mizzou true son" all the local media love to make him out to be and would leave Mizzou in a heartbeat for the right offer....lateral or not.

I'm not saying he's leaving for Louisville or Colorado but I don't see it as 100% he'll stay just because Mizzou is his alma mater.

If he leaves I will not mind one bit. Honestly, I would prefer to have a coach with a bit more charisma on the recruiting trail. Odom is boring and the a portion of the fanbase has wanted him fired at someone point each year he has been at Mizzou. I don't have faith he is the long term solution so if he bolts....well bye.

duncan_idaho · 11-26-2018, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by OmahaChief

If he leaves I will not mind one bit. Honestly, I would prefer to have a coach with a bit more charisma on the recruiting trail. Odom is boring and the a portion of the fanbase has wanted him fired at someone point each year he has been at Mizzou. I don't have faith he is the long term solution so if he bolts....well bye.

I want better recruiting, too. But he also has done a very nice job in finding underrated guys. Which is a key part of being successful at Missouri. You’re never going to consistently land top 15 classes somewhere like Mizzou, so it’s critical to be in the 20-35 range and pop some real contributors out of the 3-star and 2-star tiers.

Keys for success for a Missouri coach, IMO:

1) the point made above
2) get a good share of in-State kids you want (75 percent or better). Pinkel did this, Odom has not. Some of that is his staff. Some of that is the 2015 and 2016 seasons. Some of it is that St. Louis is a shithole with weird attitudes.
3) excel at player development

I think Odom is showing progress at 1 and 3. Enough that I’m willing to give him a few more years to get 2 rolling.

Success and stability help a lot with that, too.

07-30-2018, 05:36 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7769572	**Official 2018 Missouri Tigers Football Thread The beginning of the 2018 season is a little under five weeks away. Missouri enters the year projected to finish 4th in the East, and may be a borderline Top 25 team according to some projection systems. After a disappointing recruiting cycle last year, pressure is on Odom to restock the cupboard after the senior years of Lock and Beckner, who will go down as two of the better Tigers in history and likely first round draft picks. Schedule: Spoiler! 9/1: vs. Tenn-Martin 9/8: vs. Wyoming 9/15: @Purdue 9/22: vs. Georgia 10/6: @SCar 10/13: @Alabama 10/20: vs. Memphis (homecoming) 10/27: vs. Kentucky 11/3: @Florida 11/10: Vandy 11/17: @Tennessee 11/23: vs. Arkansas Recruiting: Spoiler! Commits: Martez Manuel, DB: *, 5.6 RR, Columbia, MO Chris Shearin, DB:*, 5.5 RR, Bradenton, FL Connor Bazelak, QB: , 5.6 RR, Dayton, OH Anthony Watkins, ATH: , 5.4 RR, Fort Worth, TX* Jack Buford, OL: , 5.7 RR, St. Louis, MO* Aidan Harrison, DB: , 5.5 RR, New Lothrop, MI* Thalen Robinson, OL, *, 5.6 RR, Arlington, TX Maurice Massey, WR, , 5.7 RR, St. Louis, MO Ishmael Burdine DB, , 5.7 RR, Slidell, LA Stacy Brown, DB, , 5.6 RR, Duncanville, TX* Jalani Williams, DB, **, 5.8 RR, St. Louis, MO CJ Boone, WR, , 5.6 RR, St. Louis, MO Luke Griffin, OL, , 5.7 RR, Chatsworth, GA Devin Nicholson, LB, , 5.6 RR, Detroit, MI Niko Hea, TE, , 5.5 RR, St. Louis, MO Isaiah McGuire, DE, , 5.5 RR, Tulsa, OK Darius Robinson, DE, , 5.7 RR, Canton, MI Chris Daniels, DT, , 5.5 RR, Wesson MS Jamie Pettway, LB, , 5.7 RR, Albany, GA Shemar Pearl, DE, , 5.6 RR, Plano, TX Arvell Ferguson, DE, , 5.5 RR, Kirkwood, MO Transfers:** Kelly Bryant, QB, Clemson Grad Transfer (former 4) Shawn Robinson QB, TCU Transfer (former 3) Jonathan Nance WR, Arkansas Grad Transfer (former 3) At this point, the class is ranked 68-69 nationally by Rivals and 24/7. Odom is going to have to rely on Pinkel's diamond-in-the-rough approach. It looks like they've pulled back considerably from Georgia, focusing more upon Texas, which is what they should have always done. Unfortunately, they've done horrific in-state, and I think that will likely end up being the nail in Odom's coffin after the 2019 season. 12/19 Update: A strong finish late in the cycle moved the class up significantly. Securing commitments from grad transfer Kelly Bryant and TCU transfer Shawn Robinson has solidified the QB position in the short and intermediate term. A class that was ranked in the 60's at the beginning of the season is now a top 20-30 class factoring in transfers. Hamas' Crystal Ball: 8-4; 4-4 in the SEC (wins vs. Ark, Tenn, Vandy, Kentucky) Last edited by 'Hamas' Jenkins; 12-19-2018 at 10:24 PM.. Reason: Signing Day. Bolded names have signed LOI*
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ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $868752	But in all reality you can tell Odom's agent is trying for a pay raise. Louisville job, big article in the Post-Dispatch as well. https://www.stltoday.com/sports/colu...67cb9f066.html I could also see Odom looking to get out before the fire gets to hot.
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Jerm Mahomes > God Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $5048996	BTW I'm not claiming to be an insider or have info or anything but I was talking to a buddy of mine that lives in STL last night about this... He wines and dines with Mizzou big wigs, donors, etc. and basically told me Odom isn't the "Mizzou true son" all the local media love to make him out to be and would leave Mizzou in a heartbeat for the right offer....lateral or not. I'm not saying he's leaving for Louisville or Colorado but I don't see it as 100% he'll stay just because Mizzou is his alma mater.
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