**** OFFICIAL 2015 NASCAR THREAD **** (And Jeff Gordon's Last Full Season)

[GloryDayz]

Here's to Jeff's last chance season...

No.	Race Title	Track	Date	TV
	Sprint Unlimited	Daytona International Speedway, Daytona Beach	February 14	Fox
	Budweiser Duels		February 19	FS1
1	Daytona 500		February 22	Fox
2	Folds of Honor QuikTrip 500	Atlanta Motor Speedway, Hampton	March 1	Fox
3	Kobalt Tools 400	Las Vegas Motor Speedway, Las Vegas	March 8	Fox
4	CampingWorld.com 500	Phoenix International Raceway, Avondale	March 15	Fox
5	Auto Club 400	Auto Club Speedway, Fontana	March 22	Fox
6	STP 500	Martinsville Speedway, Ridgeway	March 29	Fox
7	Duck Commander 500	Texas Motor Speedway, Fort Worth	April 11	Fox
8	Food City 500	Bristol Motor Speedway, Bristol	April 19	Fox
9	Toyota Owners 400	Richmond International Raceway, Richmond	April 25	FS1
10	Talladega 500	Talladega Superspeedway, Lincoln	May 3	Fox
11	Kansas 400	Kansas Speedway, Kansas City	May 9	FS1
	NASCAR Sprint All-Star Race	Charlotte Motor Speedway, Concord	May 16	FS1
12	Coca-Cola 600		May 24	Fox
13	Dover 400	Dover International Speedway, Dover	May 31	FS1
14	Pocono 400	Pocono Raceway, Long Pond	June 7	FS1
15	Quicken Loans 400	Michigan International Speedway, Brooklyn	June 14	FS1
16	Toyota/Save Mart 350	Sonoma Raceway, Sonoma	June 28	FS1
17	Coke Zero 400	Daytona International Speedway, Daytona Beach	July 5	NBC
18	Quaker State 400	Kentucky Speedway, Sparta	July 11	NBCSN
19	New Hampshire 301	New Hampshire Motor Speedway, Loudon	July 19	NBCSN
20	Crown Royal 400 at the Brickyard	Indianapolis Motor Speedway, Speedway	July 26	NBCSN
21	Pennsylvania 400	Pocono Raceway, Long Pond	August 2	NBCSN
22	Cheez-It 355 at The Glen	Watkins Glen International, Watkins Glen	August 9	NBCSN
23	Pure Michigan 400	Michigan International Speedway, Brooklyn	August 16	NBCSN
24	Irwin Tools Night Race	Bristol Motor Speedway, Bristol	August 22	NBCSN
25	Bojangles' Southern 500	Darlington Raceway, Darlington	September 6	NBC
26	Federated Auto Parts 400	Richmond International Raceway, Richmond	September 12	NBCSN
Chase for the Sprint Cup
Challenger Round
27	MyAFibStory.com 400	Chicagoland Speedway, Joliet	September 20	NBCSN
28	Sylvania 300	New Hampshire Motor Speedway, Loudon	September 27	NBCSN
29	AAA 400	Dover International Speedway, Dover	October 4	NBCSN
Contender Round
30	Bank of America 500	Charlotte Motor Speedway, Concord	October 10	NBC
31	Hollywood Casino 400	Kansas Speedway, Kansas City	October 18	NBC
32	GEICO 500	Talladega Superspeedway, Lincoln	October 25	NBCSN
Eliminator Round
33	Goody's Fast Pain Relief 500	Martinsville Speedway, Ridgeway	November 1	NBCSN
34	AAA Texas 500	Texas Motor Speedway, Fort Worth	November 8	NBC
35	Quicken Loans Race for Heroes 500	Phoenix International Raceway, Avondale	November 15	NBC
Championship
36	Ford EcoBoost 400	Homestead-Miami Speedway, Homestead	November 22	NBC

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn

**** you Logano! Can't wait till Kenseth puts you in the wall the next round!

This. What a dumb ****.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Dylan

Green/White/Checkered Finish

And the winner is Logano????

He's got it!

I get the feeling that next time the 20 gets to the 22's bumper, he will "clear the block" - at least I'd hope so...

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

I get the feeling that next time the 20 gets to the 22's bumper, he will "clear the block" - at least I'd hope so...

Logano: 'Wasn't going to put up with it'

http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-med...907463001.html

On to Talladega next week - Good place to take out 3/4 of the field.

Four will be done in the Chase in Dega.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Dylan

http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-med...907463001.html

On to Talladega next week - Good place to take out 3/4 of the field.

Four will be done in the Chase in Dega.

Exactly! All the 20 has to so the 22 is draft a little too long.

If he doesn't, he deserves what happened today. Lord knows the 22 is counting on him not responding in kind.

[dannybcaitlyn]

Sorry ass move by Harvick today. MWR level crap he pulled.

[GloryDayz]

After seeing what happened today, Mike Helton better check and see if the 20 isn't sporting a push-bar next week. As long as "obvious" is too little and "nobody admitted to anything" means it's OK and are the way things work, all the 20 has to do is not say anything after he picks the leaders off one at a time.

[Dylan]

"NASCAR is crooked. If you can't see that you're blind. God, these Southern-fried greasy hushpuppies are great - Pass me another plate."

Drivers question Harvick's end-of-race wreck



http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-med...vor-bayne.html

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Dylan

"NASCAR is crooked. If you can't see that you're blind. God, these Southern-fried greasy hushpuppies are great - Pass me another plate."

Drivers question Harvick's end-of-race wreck



http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-med...vor-bayne.html

The man is an utter piece of shit. And yeah, only an idiot would think that was an accident "unless he somehow admits that it wasn't."

And NASCAR better not grow a conscience this week and decide they can suddenly read a driver's mind when the 4 (and some others) arrive nose-first in the wall because of an accident.

I'm not saying NASCAR has an easy task on their hands, but at this point it's pretty clear that drivers are in the business to win and make money, and many will do whatever is needed to create and preserve the opportunity when the decisions become rather binary relative to moving on and/or winning.

So it's not OK, and minimally they have to ensure nothing changes in terms of the setting-of-the-bar in terms of suspicion vs. penalty.

[RNR]

One must wonder if NASCAR can find enough evidence to prove Harvick caused the wreck on purpose. It must respond. The response should follow the precedent set. Ryan Newman admitted he wrecked Kyle Larson to advance last year. Anything goes is the business model. I argued against this last season and heard the "it's hard-nosed racing" response. Now it is there for the whole world to see. The drivers are in a situation where racing clean is penalized and advancing at any cost is rewarded. Reality check time. Harvick moved out of the way the first time that was incredibly stupid. The 2nd time he claims he was going to do the same and did not see the 6 car. If true, that was incredibly stupid also. To get out of the way would have allowed the entire pack to pass him in a few seconds that would have eliminated from the chase costing his team millions. NASCAR has set this up to create controversy, wrecks, and excitement. Getting mad at the drivers is silly. They are playing by the rules~

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by "The Dude"

One must wonder if NASCAR can find enough evidence to prove Harvick caused the wreck on purpose. It must respond. The response should follow the precedent set. Ryan Newman admitted he wrecked Kyle Larson to advance last year. Anything goes is the business model. I argued against this last season and heard the "it's hard-nosed racing" response. Now it is there for the whole world to see. The drivers are in a situation where racing clean is penalized and advancing at any cost is rewarded. Reality check time. Harvick moved out of the way the first time that was incredibly stupid. The 2nd time he claims he was going to do the same and did not see the 6 car. If true, that was incredibly stupid also. To get out of the way would have allowed the entire pack to pass him in a few seconds that would have eliminated from the chase costing his team millions. NASCAR has set this up to create controversy, wrecks, and excitement. Getting mad at the drivers is silly. They are playing by the rules~

That part is inaccurate unless you're expanding "the rules" to mean the team "rules" that say you keep your sponsor in the conversation at any cost. NASCAR has just made these situations more prevalent because of the number of times they put people in these do or die situations.

[RNR]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

That part is inaccurate unless you're expanding "the rules" to mean the team "rules" that say you keep your sponsor in the conversation at any cost. NASCAR has just made these situations more prevalent because of the number of times they put people in these do or die situations.

They are playing by the rules. Make the cut or get eliminated. Causing a wreck is not against the rules rather on purpose or not. If it was Newman would have been disqualified admittedly causing a wreck and Harvick would be also. NASCAR wanted this shit show so they get it. I would not be surprised at all to see this get out of hand this year~

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by "The Dude"

They are playing by the rules. Make the cut or get eliminated. Causing a wreck is not against the rules rather on purpose or not. If it was Newman would have been disqualified admittedly causing a wreck and Harvick would be also. NASCAR wanted this shit show so they get it. I would not be surprised at all to see this get out of hand this year~

I get it, you're either trying to be funny, make some other point, or are new to the sport...

[RNR]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

I get it, you're either trying to be funny, make some other point, or are new to the sport...

What complete and utter nonsense. I guess you are either willingly obtuse or simply slow-witted. You said my statement as not was not accurate. If they are not playing by the rules then why wasn't Newman penalized last year for causing a wreck to advance? (a wreck he admitted to causing) Why wasn't Harvick penalized for causing a wreck that allowed him to advance Sunday?
NASCAR created this mess and it is going to get ugly~

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by "The Dude"

What complete and utter nonsense. I guess you are either willingly obtuse or simply slow-witted. You said my statement as not was not accurate. If they are not playing by the rules then why wasn't Newman penalized last year for causing a wreck to advance? (a wreck he admitted to causing) Why wasn't Harvick penalized for causing a wreck that allowed him to advance Sunday?
NASCAR created this mess and it is going to get ugly~

Lawyers.... In 2015 you have to have either an admission, or something like radio communications to eliminate doubt. And THAT'S sad. So all Harvick has to do is know the deal (which I'm sure he did), and to keep his mouth shut (which he's doing). So even though it's obvious he did it, and it's against the rules, "obvious" isn't enough in 2015 and our lawyeristic/benefit of the doubt culture.

That's why I expect this weekend to play-out the same exact way. Nobody say anything in advance (winks and handshakes!), don't sy anything (or even smile) in the driver's meeting before the race, put him in the wall, and then just say "ooops" when the deed is done (and for eternity). The 4 will be angry, but **** the 4, he's an asshole!

Let's just hope somebody does it and Mike Helton is forced to say the same thing next week as he did this week! **** him too!

[RNR]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Lawyers.... In 2015 you have to have either an admission, or something like radio communications to eliminate doubt. And THAT'S sad. So all Harvick has to do is know the deal (which I'm sure he did), and to keep his mouth shut (which he's doing). So even though it's obvious he did it, and it's against the rules, "obvious" isn't enough in 2015 and our lawyeristic/benefit of the doubt culture.

That's why I expect this weekend to play-out the same exact way. Nobody say anything in advance (winks and handshakes!), don't sy anything (or even smile) in the driver's meeting before the race, put him in the wall, and then just say "ooops" when the deed is done (and for eternity). The 4 will be angry, but **** the 4, he's an asshole!

Let's just hope somebody does it and Mike Helton is forced to say the same thing next week as he did this week! **** him too!

Every other driver out there would have done the same exact thing in that situation. You seem angry, but then again no matter the subject you come off that way~