Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 73

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

In58men · 10-25-2018, 07:43 PM

Houston and Berry better at least play in the Rams game.

They need to experience their offense before the Super Bowl

Titty Meat · 10-25-2018, 07:44 PM

Yeah if Berry isnt playing around Thanksgiving he ain't playing this year

GloryDayz · 10-25-2018, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat

No need to rush him or Houston back now. This schedule is SOFT

Define "rush" please?

In58men · 10-25-2018, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Define "rush" please?

Nothing over 2 years

**New World Order** · 10-25-2018, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by In58men

Houston and Berry better at least play in the Rams game.

They need to experience their offense before the Super Bowl

YES!

SupDock · 10-25-2018, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat

No need to rush him or Houston back now. This schedule is SOFT

For sure, next season is when things get tough

Titty Meat · 10-25-2018, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Define "rush" please?

If they arent 100%. Houston doesnt need to pull his hammy and make it a season nagging thing against the shitty Broncos or Browns. Same with Berry. Gonna need atleast 1 of those guys to have a chance at going to the super bowl IMO

Hammock Parties · 10-25-2018, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

A bullshit narrative.

Eric Berry hasn’t played football in nearly 14 months and counting.

To “save” him for the playoffs, thinking that he can instantly jump back into game action is not happening.

He doesn't need to "instantly" jump back in when the playoffs start.

If they give him 20 snaps in Week 15, 30 snaps in Week 16 and 40 snaps in Week 17 he could be in game shape.

O.city · 10-25-2018, 07:58 PM

The broncos gave them all they wanted a month ago. This one isn’t a gimme

FloridaMan88 · 10-25-2018, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

He doesn't need to "instantly" jump back in when the playoffs start.

If they give him 20 snaps in Week 15, 30 snaps in Week 16 and 40 snaps in Week 17 he could be in game shape.

“All he needs is a few snaps Week 15 and Week 16 to be fully ready for the playoffs”... he hasn’t played and has barely practiced in 14 months.

The time frame for Berry to return to any type of game action starts with him being able to return to practice.

Next week is November, the clock is ticking

Great Expectations · 10-25-2018, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

He doesn't need to "instantly" jump back in when the playoffs start.

If they give him 20 snaps in Week 15, 30 snaps in Week 16 and 40 snaps in Week 17 he could be in game shape.

He’d be in good enough shape and not have all the nagging injuries that they guys who’ve played all year have.

**BossChief** · 10-25-2018, 08:30 PM

I’m more worried about the Browns than the Broncos.

CoMoChief · 10-25-2018, 08:40 PM

I bet they don't play Berry til it's playoff time...if he plays at all.

The Chiefs are winning without him. They're going to wait it out til he's 100%...which may not happen, but IMO that's the Chiefs' game plan at the moment.

Houston IMO will probably be out til the Rams game. If he can't go then, my guess is the Chiefs hold him out til the playoffs as well, as long as the Chiefs are still winning.

TLO · 10-25-2018, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I’m more worried about the Browns than the Broncos.

Well then you're a moron

OKchiefs · 10-25-2018, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

I bet they don't play Berry til it's playoff time...if he plays at all.

The Chiefs are winning without him. They're going to wait it out til he's 100%...which may not happen, but IMO that's the Chiefs' game plan at the moment.

Houston IMO will probably be out til the Rams game. If he can't go then, my guess is the Chiefs hold him out til the playoffs as well, as long as the Chiefs are still winning.

Don't you think they'd put him on IR if that was the plan?

And Houston was predicted to be out a few weeks, meaning it was likely a grade 1 strain. A grade 1 strain should only take 3, maybe 4 weeks. He should absolutely return well before the Rams game.

We're still neck and neck with San Diego and New England. A single loss could put our home field advantage in jeopardy. I'm not sure why you think we have the luxury of sitting 2 of our highest paid players longer than necessary.

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1736899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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