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how shady or legit is the NFL ?

http://spaces.covers.com/blog/Maximu...or-Profit.html

http://thefixisin.net/nfl.html

I'm not betting my farm on how true this is but it makes a lot of sense to me. The NFL is an entertainment business and can bend a games outcome when they so choose.


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So during a game between the Pittsburgh Steelers and the San Diego Chargers the Steelers were favored by 3. Nearly 70 percent of the betting public was on Pittsburgh, with a reported $100 million in potential earnings. The score with less than a minute to go, 11-10 Pittsburgh and SD with the ball. After an errant lateral gets knocked away by Troy Polamalu, he scoops it and scores. The score is now 17-10, there is no time left, all teams head to the locker room, fans go to cash their tickets.

After several minutes of debate, the refs overturn the call, restoring a meaningless TD off the board making the final score 11-10, the Steelers win, the public loses. What I found to be most odd about it is the league's explanation of a "forward pass". The pass was ruled forward although it is obvious it was a backwards lateral. When I got home, I starting thinking that things were just to good to be true.

Sportscenter reported the money lost in Vegas and almost joked about it. They were literally laughing. So after this bad beat, I held around some serious thoughts about the legitimacy of pro football.

An opportunity came up in my graduate school where I was to write my project on any topic I was to choose. So I chose researching the "Showbiz manipulations of the NFL". I picked up several books including Dan Moldea's "Interference: How Organized Crimes Influence Professional Football", Brian Touhy's "The Fix Is In" , Roger L. Martins "Fixing the Game". I checked out several TV Marketing books from the college library and also several TV Business books.

I utilized my rights under the Freedom of Information Act passed by President Lyndon Johnson in 1966 to access over 40 years of FBI files on the NFL although some information was redacted. Here's what I found:

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Contrary to popular belief and to what he NFL wants you to think, there have been fixed games in league history. On page 308 of Dan Moldea's book "Interference" he lists over 70 NFL games that have been fixed and includes the names of the 2 referees involved in fixing those games. He also lists interviews with NFL HOF players most notably KC Chiefs QB Len Dawson. He, in detail with documented facts supported by FBI documents, has interviews with NFL players and known gambling associates to uncover massive game fixing in the league. He also notes, with evidence, throughout the book that no fewer than 26 NFL team owners have or have had continuous and developing relationships with the gambling world, most notably the Rooney, Bidwill, and Mara families all getting their starts as Bookmakers for established mid-west crime families and buying their NFL franchises with moneys earned from gambling. So that in and of itself is a hypocrisy number 1 on the NFL's "lilly white" reputation.

NFL Referees are part-time employees of the NFL. They are not employees of any team nor do they get paid anywhere close to the sums of NBA refs. NFL refs make between $25K to $70K per season. They work for the league and do what the league tells them to do. They are not there for "the integrity of the game". Referees, unlike other sports, are bound by NFL mandated gag orders which prevent them from talking to the media.

2. The NFL possesses an Anti-Trust Exemption to the law granted to it by President John F. Kennedy, which ultimately allows the NFL to classify itself as "entertainment" rather than sport, as well as incorporate itself as a single entity instead of the 32 separate "franchises" they would want you to believe. Contrary to the perception of the NFL being 32 separate franchises battling it out for gridiron supremacy. In a franchised environment, such as McDonalds (Business 101), each franchise is individually owned and operated and can participate in national promotions, have its own local promotions, or abstain from participating (hence the fine print in commercials saying "at participating locations".

This keeps the regionality of competition in tact without having to compete on a national level. MLB has this status, the NFL does not. Instead, since the NFL has this Anti-Trust exemption, it is able to package its teams in order to sell to national television companies, which today totals $6 Billion in revenue for the league. That is 75% of the leagues total annual revenue. In a 2004 lawsuit vs the NFL, the NFL attorney Gregg H. Levy argued that "the NFL is not a collection of 32 individual teams, but rather a single entity. And as long as the NFL teams are a unit, and they compete as a unit in the entertainment marketplace, then they should be deemed a single unit and not subject to any Anti-Trust laws."

There is only another "sports" organization that I can think of that follows this, the WWE. Levy also argued that the league markets its products and merchandise as a whole to promote the NFL as a whole. These arguments led all the way to lockout during the 2011 offseason. The league would still earn $5 Billion in revenue, even without a single game being played.

Professional sports is the only industry without ANY federal oversight. Therefore the league can do and go as they see fit, this is something the players were concerned about going into the lockout, the NFL players themselves sought help from US Congress asking for oversight of the NFL. And NFL players wanted an explanation as to why the NFL owners were granted an Anti-Trust exemption in the first place. They didn't get it.

The NFL proved in this lawsuit that they see themselves as a single unit in the "entertainment" industry and the unique league revenue sharing strategy is not common amongst professional sports leagues.
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Robert Kraft and John Mara are two of the most business savvy and highly respected NFL owners. Kraft is in charge of the NFL TV broadcast committee and also leads all television negotiations for the NFL. Kraft also is on the board of directors for Viacom, the parent company of CBS, one of NFL's broadcasters. This past Spring, Robert Kraft negotiated a record TV deal for the NFL which will result in $24 Billion in revenue with CBS, FOX, ESPN and NBC. Kraft and Mara also brought both parties to the table and led all negotiations in ending the lockout.

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Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank was interviewed saying "It is predetermined that these two teams would be here, I wish my team was selected to be in the Super Bowl one day, but these two gentlemen deserve it". And the Giants posted themselves as victors before the game, the NFL claimed it was "an overzealous employee".

The 49ers need a new stadium, with the same players as Mike Singletary, and a Alex Smith in a contract year, the 49ers post a 13-3 record and make it to the NFC Championship. But what they don't tell you is how the stadium deal is structured. 80% of the funding comes from Bank of America and US Bank. 20% financed by the State of California using tax dollars.

The 49ers have pledged to pay back the State in 5 seasons with help from revenue sharing from NFL owners. What better way to pay someone back quickly than with packed stadiums and extra playoff game revenue.

On MNF they found themselves in a blackout. Steelers safety Ryan Clark said "it was to show the league they need a new stadium and the 49ers caused the blackout". Why would he say this if shadiness wasn't common practice? You can view his opinions here: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9...off-his-rocker.

Ravens players complained that the 2007 Patriots were " being handed games by refs" in their quest for perfection. And I have over 40 years of information on NFL business dealings and how these owners "miraculously" found themselves holding the Lombardi Trophy.

Let's look at the 2011 season and see how television ratings connected with some of the league's most important games, and quickly view how the referees controlled games.

Week 1: NFL Announces ESPN will pay $1billion per game of MNF through the 2021 season. In a tribute to 9/11 20 million + viewers tuned in as the Jets mounted a magic 14 point comeback over the Cowboys. Number of penalties called the Jets = 0

Week 2: The NFL's rule changes make for a more exciting game as scoring is way up. Much like the AFL days of the 60's, 72% of the games went over the total and TV ratings are now through the roof. The league emphasises "the year of the QB".

Week 3: Packers vs Bears: The Bears return a punt return for a TD which would've ultimately allowed them to cover the spread. Instead a fantom holding call overturned the TD. It was the 10th penalty of the game for the Bears vs. 1 penalty for the Packers. You can see the play here: http://youtu.be/_w-pXfjbYHk

Week 6: The Beginning of the Tim Tebow Era. Tim Tebow has a HUGE, and I mean HUGE Christian following. The guy can't hit a barn, but a decent athlete. Yet as the third string QB he is thrust into the starting role and the team magically "changes the entire offense" in a matter of weeks to suit him? Tebow was the number 1 jersey seller for the league without even stepping foot on the field. It was time to make him a star and they did ripping off several "magical" victories with poultry statistics. These teams were handing them games. If you didn't notice this, all I need to say it two words : Marion Barber. All the while the NFL is forcing religion down our throats with God's quarterback.

Week 7: The Jags are close to a sale, the possible new owners just need one more hint of encouragement to prevent buyers remorse. In come the Ravens. After the Saints destruction of the Colts on SNF. Vegas was in trouble. ESPN was in trouble because no one was going to watch this snore fest. The Ravens didn't get a first down until late in the fourth quarter and the Jags win with 4 FG's. Sale complete, Vegas wins. You lose.
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:02 PM   #1066
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:25 PM   #1067
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Who knows if Iraq even exists outside a Hollywood sound stage?
I know, my friends that have actually been there are part of the conspiracy!

You think you know people......
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Old 11-11-2014, 06:17 PM   #1068
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Old 11-11-2014, 07:30 PM   #1069
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I understand perfectly. You have no clue at all about probabilities.
you have no clue what a fact or a truth is.

you keep excusing every outlandish probability pro sports keeps feeding you.
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Old 11-11-2014, 07:34 PM   #1070
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you have no clue what a fact or a truth is.

you keep excusing every outlandish probability pro sports keeps feeding you.


I have news for you: the best team winning is NOT an outlandish probability. And as was said earlier what happened in previous years has nothing to do with probabilities this season. This is basic stuff you should have learned in high school.

Or maybe the school system is part of the conspiracy!!!!! They teach us the lies the NFL wants them to!!!!!!!!!

My eyes are open now! I see the light!

Oh, wait. It is still stupid, uneducated bullshit.
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The funny thing is he doesn't understand probability. What a team did one year has no bearing on any subsequent year.
another pseudo logic excuse that explains and defines nothing.

you keep making that excuse 4 years in a row for a team accomplishing the impossible 4 times in a row ?

I understand probability quite well. You don't understand that absolutely everything has to go right for the Bills to keep getting that far and losing. For everything to go that perfectly,it has to be manipulated.

the Colts accomplished the perfect comeback against the Chiefs last year. Everything they needed to go right for them in the second half went right for them. When are you going to stop ignoring the obvious ?
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I have news for you: the best team winning is NOT an outlandish probability. And as was said earlier what happened in previous years has nothing to do with probabilities this season. This is basic stuff you should have learned in high school.

Or maybe the school system is part of the conspiracy!!!!! They teach us the lies the NFL wants them to!!!!!!!!!

My eyes are open now! I see the light!

Oh, wait. It is still stupid, uneducated bullshit.
best team ? what best team ? how do you know who the best team is ? your perception is telling you that you aren't being lied to but you have no clue how to research it.
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Old 11-11-2014, 07:44 PM   #1073
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I want to know the logic behind 16x32=512
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another pseudo logic excuse that explains and defines nothing.

you keep making that excuse 4 years in a row for a team accomplishing the impossible 4 times in a row ?
What?!? Losing the SB is impossible? In case you haven't noticed, one team loses the SB every single year, so it is definitely 100% possible to lose the SB. And it is possible to lose it 4 years in a row BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. The possibility of it happening is 100%.
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Old 11-11-2014, 07:56 PM   #1075
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best team ? what best team ? how do you know who the best team is ? your perception is telling you that you aren't being lied to but you have no clue how to research it.
I don't need to research it, I WATCHED THE GAMES.
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I want to know the logic behind 16x32=512
its a starting point for math odds of a team making it to a super bowl and or winning it.

16 games times 32 teams..and thenyou would continue with averages of converting 3rd downs or recovering fumbles and such.
the point is.. anyone saying a team only has a 1 in 32 chance of getting to a super bowl really doesn't understand true odds on probability.

1 in 32 is whether you open your door and leave for work like you did a thousand times before every morning. 1 in 32 is like saying its really easy to get to a super bowl. Its counter to actual intelligent common sense and logic.
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its a starting point for math odds of a team making it to a super bowl and or winning it.

16 games times 32 teams..and thenyou would continue with averages of converting 3rd downs or recovering fumbles and such.
the point is.. anyone saying a team only has a 1 in 32 chance of getting to a super bowl really doesn't understand true odds on probability.

1 in 32 is whether you open your door and leave for work like you did a thousand times before every morning. 1 in 32 is like saying its really easy to get to a super bowl. Its counter to actual intelligent common sense and logic.
You are right that it wouldn't be 1 in 32. But that is all you are right about. The odds are different for each team based on how good the team is. The odds of the Broncos making the SB are pretty good, but the odds of the Raiders making it are pretty close to zero.
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I don't need to research it, I WATCHED THE GAMES.
LOL yes, you thought guys falling down so big plays happened for Buffalo was real football.

watching something is what children do. You didn't research and analyze it and watch replays over an over.

you watched the games and yet you aren't intelligent enough to realize that Frank Reich who only threw 47 passes all year shouldn't be able to lead a team in the greatest comeback ever....that was as dumb as the Jets game this past weekend and the Chiefs playoff game last year. It keeps piling up but you still cant think for yourself.
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its a starting point for math odds of a team making it to a super bowl and or winning it.

16 games times 32 teams..and thenyou would continue with averages of converting 3rd downs or recovering fumbles and such.
the point is.. anyone saying a team only has a 1 in 32 chance of getting to a super bowl really doesn't understand true odds on probability.

1 in 32 is whether you open your door and leave for work like you did a thousand times before every morning. 1 in 32 is like saying its really easy to get to a super bowl. Its counter to actual intelligent common sense and logic.
You do realise that even if it was as easy as 1 in 32 you would still be incorrect don't you?
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1. The NFL makes money.
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