how shady or legit is the NFL ?

[Crying Ramtard]

http://spaces.covers.com/blog/Maximu...or-Profit.html

http://thefixisin.net/nfl.html

I'm not betting my farm on how true this is but it makes a lot of sense to me. The NFL is an entertainment business and can bend a games outcome when they so choose.

So during a game between the Pittsburgh Steelers and the San Diego Chargers the Steelers were favored by 3. Nearly 70 percent of the betting public was on Pittsburgh, with a reported $100 million in potential earnings. The score with less than a minute to go, 11-10 Pittsburgh and SD with the ball. After an errant lateral gets knocked away by Troy Polamalu, he scoops it and scores. The score is now 17-10, there is no time left, all teams head to the locker room, fans go to cash their tickets.

After several minutes of debate, the refs overturn the call, restoring a meaningless TD off the board making the final score 11-10, the Steelers win, the public loses. What I found to be most odd about it is the league's explanation of a "forward pass". The pass was ruled forward although it is obvious it was a backwards lateral. When I got home, I starting thinking that things were just to good to be true.

Sportscenter reported the money lost in Vegas and almost joked about it. They were literally laughing. So after this bad beat, I held around some serious thoughts about the legitimacy of pro football.

An opportunity came up in my graduate school where I was to write my project on any topic I was to choose. So I chose researching the "Showbiz manipulations of the NFL". I picked up several books including Dan Moldea's "Interference: How Organized Crimes Influence Professional Football", Brian Touhy's "The Fix Is In" , Roger L. Martins "Fixing the Game". I checked out several TV Marketing books from the college library and also several TV Business books.

I utilized my rights under the Freedom of Information Act passed by President Lyndon Johnson in 1966 to access over 40 years of FBI files on the NFL although some information was redacted. Here's what I found:

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Contrary to popular belief and to what he NFL wants you to think, there have been fixed games in league history. On page 308 of Dan Moldea's book "Interference" he lists over 70 NFL games that have been fixed and includes the names of the 2 referees involved in fixing those games. He also lists interviews with NFL HOF players most notably KC Chiefs QB Len Dawson. He, in detail with documented facts supported by FBI documents, has interviews with NFL players and known gambling associates to uncover massive game fixing in the league. He also notes, with evidence, throughout the book that no fewer than 26 NFL team owners have or have had continuous and developing relationships with the gambling world, most notably the Rooney, Bidwill, and Mara families all getting their starts as Bookmakers for established mid-west crime families and buying their NFL franchises with moneys earned from gambling. So that in and of itself is a hypocrisy number 1 on the NFL's "lilly white" reputation.

NFL Referees are part-time employees of the NFL. They are not employees of any team nor do they get paid anywhere close to the sums of NBA refs. NFL refs make between $25K to $70K per season. They work for the league and do what the league tells them to do. They are not there for "the integrity of the game". Referees, unlike other sports, are bound by NFL mandated gag orders which prevent them from talking to the media.

2. The NFL possesses an Anti-Trust Exemption to the law granted to it by President John F. Kennedy, which ultimately allows the NFL to classify itself as "entertainment" rather than sport, as well as incorporate itself as a single entity instead of the 32 separate "franchises" they would want you to believe. Contrary to the perception of the NFL being 32 separate franchises battling it out for gridiron supremacy. In a franchised environment, such as McDonalds (Business 101), each franchise is individually owned and operated and can participate in national promotions, have its own local promotions, or abstain from participating (hence the fine print in commercials saying "at participating locations".

This keeps the regionality of competition in tact without having to compete on a national level. MLB has this status, the NFL does not. Instead, since the NFL has this Anti-Trust exemption, it is able to package its teams in order to sell to national television companies, which today totals $6 Billion in revenue for the league. That is 75% of the leagues total annual revenue. In a 2004 lawsuit vs the NFL, the NFL attorney Gregg H. Levy argued that "the NFL is not a collection of 32 individual teams, but rather a single entity. And as long as the NFL teams are a unit, and they compete as a unit in the entertainment marketplace, then they should be deemed a single unit and not subject to any Anti-Trust laws."

There is only another "sports" organization that I can think of that follows this, the WWE. Levy also argued that the league markets its products and merchandise as a whole to promote the NFL as a whole. These arguments led all the way to lockout during the 2011 offseason. The league would still earn $5 Billion in revenue, even without a single game being played.

Professional sports is the only industry without ANY federal oversight. Therefore the league can do and go as they see fit, this is something the players were concerned about going into the lockout, the NFL players themselves sought help from US Congress asking for oversight of the NFL. And NFL players wanted an explanation as to why the NFL owners were granted an Anti-Trust exemption in the first place. They didn't get it.

The NFL proved in this lawsuit that they see themselves as a single unit in the "entertainment" industry and the unique league revenue sharing strategy is not common amongst professional sports leagues.

Robert Kraft and John Mara are two of the most business savvy and highly respected NFL owners. Kraft is in charge of the NFL TV broadcast committee and also leads all television negotiations for the NFL. Kraft also is on the board of directors for Viacom, the parent company of CBS, one of NFL's broadcasters. This past Spring, Robert Kraft negotiated a record TV deal for the NFL which will result in $24 Billion in revenue with CBS, FOX, ESPN and NBC. Kraft and Mara also brought both parties to the table and led all negotiations in ending the lockout.

Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank was interviewed saying "It is predetermined that these two teams would be here, I wish my team was selected to be in the Super Bowl one day, but these two gentlemen deserve it". And the Giants posted themselves as victors before the game, the NFL claimed it was "an overzealous employee".

The 49ers need a new stadium, with the same players as Mike Singletary, and a Alex Smith in a contract year, the 49ers post a 13-3 record and make it to the NFC Championship. But what they don't tell you is how the stadium deal is structured. 80% of the funding comes from Bank of America and US Bank. 20% financed by the State of California using tax dollars.

The 49ers have pledged to pay back the State in 5 seasons with help from revenue sharing from NFL owners. What better way to pay someone back quickly than with packed stadiums and extra playoff game revenue.

On MNF they found themselves in a blackout. Steelers safety Ryan Clark said "it was to show the league they need a new stadium and the 49ers caused the blackout". Why would he say this if shadiness wasn't common practice? You can view his opinions here: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9...off-his-rocker.

Ravens players complained that the 2007 Patriots were " being handed games by refs" in their quest for perfection. And I have over 40 years of information on NFL business dealings and how these owners "miraculously" found themselves holding the Lombardi Trophy.

Let's look at the 2011 season and see how television ratings connected with some of the league's most important games, and quickly view how the referees controlled games.

Week 1: NFL Announces ESPN will pay $1billion per game of MNF through the 2021 season. In a tribute to 9/11 20 million + viewers tuned in as the Jets mounted a magic 14 point comeback over the Cowboys. Number of penalties called the Jets = 0

Week 2: The NFL's rule changes make for a more exciting game as scoring is way up. Much like the AFL days of the 60's, 72% of the games went over the total and TV ratings are now through the roof. The league emphasises "the year of the QB".

Week 3: Packers vs Bears: The Bears return a punt return for a TD which would've ultimately allowed them to cover the spread. Instead a fantom holding call overturned the TD. It was the 10th penalty of the game for the Bears vs. 1 penalty for the Packers. You can see the play here: http://youtu.be/_w-pXfjbYHk

Week 6: The Beginning of the Tim Tebow Era. Tim Tebow has a HUGE, and I mean HUGE Christian following. The guy can't hit a barn, but a decent athlete. Yet as the third string QB he is thrust into the starting role and the team magically "changes the entire offense" in a matter of weeks to suit him? Tebow was the number 1 jersey seller for the league without even stepping foot on the field. It was time to make him a star and they did ripping off several "magical" victories with poultry statistics. These teams were handing them games. If you didn't notice this, all I need to say it two words : Marion Barber. All the while the NFL is forcing religion down our throats with God's quarterback.

Week 7: The Jags are close to a sale, the possible new owners just need one more hint of encouragement to prevent buyers remorse. In come the Ravens. After the Saints destruction of the Colts on SNF. Vegas was in trouble. ESPN was in trouble because no one was going to watch this snore fest. The Ravens didn't get a first down until late in the fourth quarter and the Jags win with 4 FG's. Sale complete, Vegas wins. You lose.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by durtyrute

Then one day I realized, I don't believe in curses, I don't believe in football gods. How can anyone of us who watch the Chiefs games say that there isn't something to the fact that Tamba Hali, NEVER GETS THE HOLDING CALL? How can you watch that playoff game and see the monumental come back and say that there isn't something to that? Do you really think Andy Reid is such a moron that he wouldn't try to do something to change shit up to keep a twenty something point lead? Is Bob Sutton that stupid? Was it just Kendrick all by himself? We all saw the non hit that Charles took that game that put him out. It wasn't shit compared to the one that hit he took against Flowers a few games back. Shit, Flowers was ****ed up real bad, but he came back in the game. Sure he went back out, but he came in. Jamal stayed in the rest of the game and that hit was way harder than the one in the playoff game and we didn't even see him from then on.

Charles's concussion has become something of a smoking gun for the dipshit "it's rigged!" crowd. His head most definitely hit the ground. And he laid there, motionless, for quite a bit.

For most of the It's rigged! crowd, the rigging focuses on the league directing the refs what to do. But here, you're directly saying that Jamal Charles was directly involved. He faked getting hit, and he faked having his bell rung by laying there. And he faked out the doctors who checked him afterwards (or they were in on it too). Bunch of paranoid kooks.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by ram29jackson

...my Cardinals prediction will certainly come through now because even with 8 wins they are out of it without Carson. But you see, I already knew that before the season started so its not unpredictable for me.

but of course all of you are surprised

The conspiracy runs so deep that Carson Palmer was coerced to tear his own ACL just to keep the facade in place. His payoff: $20 million guaranteed.

But you're too clever for them all.

[Crying Ramtard]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

The conspiracy runs so deep that Carson Palmer was coerced to tear his own ACL just to keep the facade in place. His payoff: $20 million guaranteed.

But you're too clever for them all.

prove to me you know he is injured. Look at the replay and tell me what looks so bad.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by ram29jackson

prove to me you know he is injured. Look at the replay and tell me what looks so bad.

You can't do a medical diagnosis by watching a video, even if you were a doctor. You think it is fake because it fits your belief system.

[Eleazar]

Say it ain't so, Jamaal!

[Crying Ramtard]

Originally Posted by splatbass

You can't do a medical diagnosis by watching a video, even if you were a doctor. You think it is fake because it fits your belief system.

that's right, you cant.

fits my belief ? well of course it does. I Told you it would happen-cardinals losing- and they have to make you buy the scenario somehow.

just like Romo leaving the field against the Redskins.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by ram29jackson

that's right, you cant.

fits my belief ? well of course it does. I Told you it would happen-cardinals losing- and they have to make you buy the scenario somehow.

just like Romo leaving the field against the Redskins.

You really are delusional. And I don't mean that as an insult, just an obvious fact.

You have no way of knowing that the injury is fake - but the team doctors will have an MRI tomorrow that will tell them. Yet even if it comes back showing a torn ACL you will believe that it isn't WITH NO EVIDENCE AT ALL except your preconceived beliefs, and that it didn't look that bad to you.

[Shekelsteinberg]

Its is the most pathetically corrupt pro sport in the world. Its not even fun to watch anymore.

[Crying Ramtard]

Originally Posted by splatbass

You really are delusional. And I don't mean that as an insult, just an obvious fact.

You have no way of knowing that the injury is fake - but the team doctors will have an MRI tomorrow that will tell them. Yet even if it comes back showing a torn ACL you will believe that it isn't WITH NO EVIDENCE AT ALL except your preconceived beliefs, and that it didn't look that bad to you.

LOL you have no idea if its real either. The Doctors will have an MRI ? Go get it for me. When was the last time they published an MRI and you knew it was the injured player ? answer- they've never published one in the first place. You are accepting something purely on the assumption you aren't being lied to

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by ram29jackson

LOL you have no idea if its real either. The Doctors will have an MRI ? Go get it for me. When was the last time they published an MRI and you knew it was the injured player ? answer- they've never published one in the first place. You are accepting something purely on the assumption you aren't being lied to

MRIs are medical records. They CAN'T publish them. But it is idiotic to the extreme to just discount what they say because of your crazy belief system with no evidence whatsoever except what you WANT to believe.

You have your mind made up, and you will make whatever happens fit into your viewpoint no matter how ridiculous it is because that is what you believe.

You think you are smart and analyze the data, but you don't. You look for ways to make the available information fit what you already believe. And no matter what happens you find a way to see it as part of the rigging. If Palmer hadn't gotten hurt and they went on to win the SB you would have come up with some crazy reason why THAT was planned. It is what you do.

[Crying Ramtard]

Originally Posted by splatbass

MRIs are medical records. They CAN'T publish them. But it is idiotic to the extreme to just discount what they say because of your crazy belief system with no evidence whatsoever except what you WANT to believe.

You have your mind made up, and you will make whatever happens fit into your viewpoint no matter how ridiculous it is because that is what you believe.

You think you are smart and analyze the data, but you don't. You look for ways to make the available information fit what you already believe. And no matter what happens you find a way to see it as part of the rigging. If Palmer hadn't gotten hurt and they went on to win the SB you would have come up with some crazy reason why THAT was planned. It is what you do.

how convenient that they cant be published huh ?

But it is idiotic to the extreme to just discount what they say because of your crazy belief system with no evidence whatsoever except what you WANT to believe

the problem here is you have no proof either. But I have a premise and a system being carried out while you just hope you are right.

You think you are smart and analyze the data, but you don't. You look for ways to make the available information fit what you already believe

actually I have given multiple examples that intelligent people can discern logically. My top 3 should make anyone with common sense stop and think but they can throw last years Colts playoff game right in your face and you still have no clue.

it is a logical mathematical fact that you cant go to and lose 4 super bowls in a row without manipulation but the world has lost grasp with common sense and cant even figure out that simple equation anymore.
I have in fact analyzed more than you. I know I am right or I wouldn't be so dogmatic.

wait , youll see how absurd the playoff picture gets as the season goes along

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by ram29jackson

how convenient that they cant be published huh ?

The word you looking for is the LAW.

I gotta say, you're quite the conundrum. On one hand, it's mildly entertaining to see someone willingly, proudly, defiantly, posting as the most idiotic poster in internet history.

On the other hand, it's kind of insulting to people who actually understand concepts like probability, science and math, to let your rantings continue uncontested.

You have to know that everyone, EVERYONE, thinks you are a complete loon. No? A laughingtstock? A babbling quarterwit?

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by ram29jackson

it is a logical mathematical fact that you cant go to and lose 4 super bowls in a row without manipulation

No it isn't. You don't understand math or what a "fact" is.

In the early 90s the NFC was the dominant conference by a mile. Buffalo was the best team in the AFC, but probably the top 5 teams in the NFC were better than them. It is perfectly logical that they could win the AFC Championship 4 years in a row, and lose the SB all 4 of those years to much superior teams. It is actually surprising that they came close to beating the Giants in one of those games because the Giants were a better team.

From 1982-1997 only ONE AFC team won a SB. The NFC was that much better then.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

The word you looking for is the LAW.

I gotta say, you're quite the conundrum. On one hand, it's mildly entertaining to see someone willingly, pourdly, defiantly, posting as the most idiotic poster in internet history.

On the other hand, it's kind of insulting to people who actually understand concepts like probability, science and math, to let your rantings continue uncontested.

You have to know that everyone, EVERYONE, thinks you are a complete loon. No? A laughingtstock? A babbling quarterwit?

Don't run him off.
I come to this thread for a good daily chuckle.

[Crying Ramtard]

Originally Posted by splatbass

No it isn't. You don't understand math or what a "fact" is.

In the early 90s the NFC was the dominant conference by a mile. Buffalo was the best team in the AFC, but probably the top 5 teams in the NFC were better than them. It is perfectly logical that they could win the AFC Championship 4 years in a row, and lose the SB all 4 of those years to much superior teams. It is actually surprising that they came close to beating the Giants in one of those games because the Giants were a better team.

From 1982-1997 only ONE AFC team won a SB. The NFC was that much better then.

you are the one who doesn't understand. For it to happen one time might be possible but you cant beat those incredible odds 4 times in a row.
and then constantly have all the other incredible Manning and Harbaugh brother's endings etc. That would have to mean the NFL works in a separate reality and universe from everyone else. I do in fact know how logic and math work in this context. Just because someone can argue its possible doesn't make it so or that it should be.