Grading Dorsey's Trades with the Chiefs

[Dante84]

To date, here are the trades made under Dorsey’s reign…

1. Chiefs trade 2013 and 2014 second-round picks to 49ers for quarterback Alex Smith: The picks would eventually become wide receivers Justin Hunter and Cody Latimer. While both had some hype coming out of college, neither has been particularly productive in the NFL. Smith, meanwhile, has led the Chiefs to their first, back-to-back winning seasons since ’05 and ’06. Winner: Chiefs

2. Chiefs trade cornerback Javier Arenas to Cardinals for fullback Anthony Sherman: Arenas became a depth and role player for the Cardinals for one year before being let go. He spent 2014 in Atlanta and is currently a free agent. Sherman has been one of the best fullbacks in the NFL over the last two years. Winner: Chiefs

3. Chiefs trade linebacker Edgar Jones and 2014 seventh-round pick to Cowboys for 2014 sixth-round pick: The Cowboys used the pick on another linebacker, Will Smith. Neither Jones or Smith is still on the Dallas roster. The Chiefs used their pick on Zach Fulton, who started at offensive guard for the entire 2014 NFL season, and may reprise that role this year. Winner: Chiefs

4. Chiefs trade offensive lineman Rishaw Johnson to Buccaneers for defensive back Kelcie McCray: Johnson has bounced around training camps since the trade (five teams in under a year). McCray was a valuable special teams player. He is in the mix again this year. Winner: Chiefs

5. Chiefs trade 2015 fifth-round pick to Saints for Ben Grubbs: The Saints would use this pick on defensive tackle Tyeler Davison. The Saints would also later sign Chiefs guard Mike McGlynn. Grubbs is the only guaranteed starter on the Kansas City offensive line at this point. Winner: TBD…but hard to imagine it won’t be the Chiefs.

6. Chiefs trade 2015 third- and sixth-round picks to Vikings for 2015 third-round pick: The picks the Chiefs gave up turned into cornerback Alex Carter and defensive end BJ Dubose. The Chiefs used their acquired pick on wide receiver Chris Conley. The results of this trade will play out over the next year or so. Winner: TBD

By no means is this a large number of trades. The Chiefs have actually been one of the least likely teams to try and move around in the draft. However, when talking about player-for-player trades, Dorsey has resurrected a practice that had largely been abandoned by the rest of the league. Dorsey also shows a penchant for moving picks for players. And in each case except the Edgar Jones trade, the move was made with the intent of acquiring a specific player. And so far, that list shows that Dorsey knows exactly what he’s doing every time he makes a trade. Dorsey understands how to use his assets to obtain better options for the team.

The truly interesting trend of Dorsey’s trading habits is that he has made a player-for-player trade in each of the first two seasons of his tenure. While that is hardly a long enough stretch to make any scientific prediction, it does lend some credence to the idea that Kansas City will look to do the same this year. And why not? If you have a player that might not make the team, or is just wasting cap space on your depth chart, why not try to move him for someone that may have more of an impact?

Dorsey has touched on this before. Prior to the draft, when asked about moving picks, the Chiefs general manager said: “We have called around to express interest just to let everybody know we can talk…Let’s have an open line of communication. Whatever you have to offer, let’s talk about it.”

While that was specifically a reference to trading picks, it has been pretty obvious that he has the same policy across the board. Shortly before that interview, Dorsey had just locked up a trade with the Saints that brought Grubbs to Kansas City.

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[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by ct

this is why most didn't like it, myself included

of course sherman has proven to be 100x the player arenas is

A tackling dummy is 100x the player of Javier Arenas.

I loved the trade because Arenas (like Jon Baldwin) did absolutely nothing in three full seasons to prove himself to be an NFL player.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

So "serviceable" he isn't on an NFL roster.

He made a Cardinals roster in 2013 that featured Patrick Peterson and Antonio Cromartie as locked-in starters.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

He made a Cardinals roster in 2013 that featured Patrick Peterson and Antonio Cromartie as locked-in starters.

He only had 11 tackles in 2013.

His primary role for the Cardinals was as a returner and he wasn't even serviceable, which is why they released him.

He was even worse last season in Atlanta.

[BigChiefFan]

Dorsey has been nails in the trade department.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

He only had 11 tackles in 2013.

His primary role for the Cardinals was as a returner and he wasn't even serviceable, which is why they released him.

He was even worse last season in Atlanta.

Is it really prudent to judge a nickel or dime CB based on his number of solo tackles?

If anything, Arenas was beyond serviceable for us returning punts in his time here. I'm not saying things didn't work out well, but we certainly could have used him in 2013.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by BossChief

It really makes me wonder how many records Dan Marino would have put up in today's NFL.

The guy was throwing 40tds a year in the 80s.

That was in a time when defenses could rape receivers, too.

He would have shattered records had he played during the last 15 years.

He had 5000 yards in 84, plus 4 other 4000 yard seasons. I bet he would have put up 100,000 yards in that time.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Is it really prudent to judge a nickel or dime CB based on his number of solo tackles?

If anything, Arenas was beyond serviceable for us returning punts in his time here. I'm not saying things didn't work out well, but we certainly could have used him in 2013.

The Chiefs could not have "used him" in 2013. He was garbage from Day 1 and he was garbage up until his last snap in Atlanta.

He was an extremely poor pick by Pioli, especially considering he was drafted with the compensation from the Tony Gonzalez trade.

Sherman has been 100 times more effective than Arenas and has been a key cog in many Chiefs victories.

Arenas was a cog in many Chiefs losses.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Chiefs could not have "used him" in 2013. He was garbage from Day 1 and he was garbage up until his last snap in Atlanta.

He was an extremely poor pick by Pioli, especially considering he was drafted with the compensation from the Tony Gonzalez trade.

Sherman has been 100 times more effective than Arenas and has been a key cog in many Chiefs victories.

Arenas was a cog in many Chiefs losses.

Dunta Robinson got cut after one season and Marcus Cooper was buried on the depth chart.

We certainly could have used Arenas in Indy.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by ILChief

Who was it here that lost their mind when we traded Arenas for Sherman?

I did.

I still look at that trade on paper and wonder how the hell we came out on top

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Dunta Robinson got cut after one season and Marcus Cooper was buried on the depth chart.

We certainly could have used Arenas in Indy.

Arenas would have been torched in Indy. He was a waste of a roster space from day one and no one will convince me otherwise.

Blech.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Arenas would have been torched in Indy. He was a waste of a roster space from day one and no one will convince me otherwise.

Blech.

Fair enough