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Old 11-10-2013, 09:26 AM  
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Big Ben wants out of Pitt because Haley sucks is the reason
http://www.nfl.com/ Lol. Haley the loser. We called it.
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Old 11-10-2013, 11:43 AM   #91
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Well?

Would anybody here give him a look?

Roethlisberger, next year, with our defense mostly in tact. Thoughts?
**** yes I would.
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:02 PM   #92
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Yes, but that's what I'm getting at. With that, he's still trying to be a run type offensive guy, instead of doing what he can.
Well, as I've said, you have two options. Run a freelance offense where Big Ben will take 40-50 sacks, probably even more (given how shitty the offensive line and running game is) and get hit even more during a game. Or run a ball control offense. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle, but what confuses me more about the insistence on a very conservative offense is that if the Rooneys really wanted to run that, then why skimp on offensive line and RB talent?
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:05 PM   #93
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Well, as I've said, you have two options. Run a freelance offense where Big Ben will take 40-50 sacks, probably even more (given how shitty the offensive line and running game is) and get hit even more during a game. Or run a ball control offense. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle, but what confuses me more about the insistence on a very conservative offense is that if the Rooneys really wanted to run that, then why skimp on offensive line and RB talent?
They've tried to bring in rbs and ol, iirc, it just hasn't panned out.
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:06 PM   #94
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He was never elite, he was always overrated, and now he's old. No thank you.

Alex Smith is a better option today.
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:11 PM   #95
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If Arians was coaching in Pittsburgh, Ben's career would likely be over. Just because Haley hasn't worked out, doesn't mean sticking with the same was the right move.
Roethlisberger has taken more hits and sacks under Haley than he ever took under Arians.
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:14 PM   #96
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They've tried to bring in rbs and ol, iirc, it just hasn't panned out.
Whether they tried or not, the talent is absolutely terrible. And it's not just because of coaching. Nobody wanted Jonathan Dwyer when he was cut. You have Mike Adams at left tackle, and he's terrible. Then you have unanticipated injuries, like Pouncey. There was a report that I think said they had about 9 different combinations of o-linemen in 2012 because they couldn't stay healthy. And then they draft La'Veon Bell, who isn't really top shelf talent in the first place, but then he gets hurt too. Mendenhall... the same.

They brought players in, sure. But they sent a pretty strong statement that they wanted to protect Ben by firing Arians and bringing in Haley. I guess I just don't think that bringing in DeCastro and Bell to an already disastrously bad o-line and RB is really considered doing enough.
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:18 PM   #97
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Roethlisberger has taken more hits and sacks under Haley than he ever took under Arians.
The thought was the right one. The execution was just terrible. Haley hasn't adjusted to the talent, and the front office didn't adjust to a new scheme they heavily endorsed. That and just bad luck on the injury front.
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:19 PM   #98
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oh ... i don't know about that.

Alex Smith for Ben in a heartbeat imo
Yeah, I think I probably would do it, too. Smith is safer in terms of limiting turnovers, but I haven't seen any evidence yet that he can shoulder a team in a situation where they need it. Whereas Roethlisberger has always had an inherent ability to make plays, even when that roster was progressively deteriorating.

But the one really glaring issue with the high profile QBs is their contracts. Can we even afford it, without hurting the rest of the roster. Although that said, I expect them to extend Smith this offseason, and he won't be cheap either. But still likely cheaper than Roethlisberger.
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As bad as everything else has been, there is some blame for roethlisberger. He hasn't played well at times either
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:27 PM   #100
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He was never elite, he was always overrated, and now he's old. No thank you.

Alex Smith is a better option today.
Come on man.
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He was never elite, he was always overrated, and now he's old. No thank you.

Alex Smith is a better option today.
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:30 PM   #102
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He was never elite, he was always overrated, and now he's old. No thank you.

Alex Smith is a better option today.
you should be banned for that
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He was never elite, he was always overrated, and now he's old. No thank you.

Alex Smith is a better option today.
Is this like an impression of KnowMo if he were a Chiefs fan?
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As bad as everything else has been, there is some blame for roethlisberger. He hasn't played well at times either
He doesn't have the mobility to freelance like he used to. He has built a career off making painfully slow reads, but getting away with it because he can shake off pressure better than anyone in the game. So now he has to rely on his ability to read defenses and he just can't do that.

He needs to go back to his early days. Run smash mouth football, force defenses to defend the run, and have a defense that can make up for Ben's mistakes. None of those things are in place now. So what you have is Ben trying to run an offense he's too old to run, and a coach who is insistent that he do things exactly that way. His career can easily be saved if he had a system that could actually run the ball.
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