SI : Chiefs have a problem and his name is Dwayne Bowe

[pr_capone]

His performance so far this season has been underwhelming. He is in a position to clock in his worst performance in the NFL so far and is projecting to have 54 receptions for 586 yards w/6TD.

Is his problem that defenses are keying in on him... or is it that, as suggested by Greg Bedard, that Bowe has lost a step and is no longer a top tier WR?

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/10/11/greg-b...preview-notes/

6. The Chiefs will win a lot of games with their current formula: good defense that takes the ball away (15 times so far) and an offense that doesn’t turn it over (just five) for an NFL-leading plus-10 in giveaways/takeaways. But to beat the good teams, they’re going to have to start stretching the field. Defenses know QB Alex Smith is overly conservative, so they’re dropping a safety down and playing a lot of man. The Chiefs have a big problem with receiver Dwayne Bowe. Not sure what has happened to him, but he lacks explosion and can’t beat man coverage anymore. Defenses don’t fear him at all.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Ace Gunner

okay. y'all need stop with the "timing route" shit. k. a quick slant is not a timing route.

[O.city]

Unless the play was a sluggo, in a wco, Bowe can't just turn and run upfield when the defender crosses his face. We aren't playing int he backyard here.

If you want to say smith threw the wrong route, fine. But saying the defender crossed Bowes face so Bowe turned to run upfield, well, that puts the blame on Bowe.

[Ace Gunner]

a timing route is one that involves a pivot in the route. hooks, square outs are timing routes.

[pr_capone]

Originally Posted by Ace Gunner

okay. y'all need stop with the "timing route" shit. k. a quick slant is not a timing route.

[Ace Gunner]

three dummies now you guys are embarrassing

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

The Chiefs have a problem and his name is NOT Bowe.

Yeah...

Their problem is that they are 5-0.

It sucks, I know, but what the hell are you to do?

Personally, who gives a rat's ass about who is getting the ball. The game isn't about Dwayne Bowe's fantasy numbers, it's about getting enough wins to get to the playoffs which gives you the possibility, a chance at hoisting the Lombardi at the very end. Period. End of story. And, straight up, a single wide receiver isn't going to carry a team through the playoffs and win a team a Super Bowl. Ever. So I would suggest not getting your panties in a tight knot about the number of receptions Bowe has to date. They are 5-0 in a new offense with a new QB behind an offensive line that has three new guys starting on it (Allen, Hudson, Fisher), a new fullback, an all new receiving corps other than Bowe & McCluster, etc., etc., etc.

I'm pretty freakin' giddy about the possibilities of what this team can/will do once everyone is on the same page - both offensively and defensively. And I don't expect that to happen until next season to be honest.

However, while we are on the subject, from my observations, Bowe is not separating very well right now and has been a bit slow coming off in his breaks. He's also dropped some passes he should have caught and he's blown some routes. While Smith could be looking in his direction a bit more, Bowe himself hasn't helped his QB have a ton of confidence in him either.

However, he's blocking exceptionally well and he's getting the opposing defenses #1 CB. That's opening up the offense which shows as it's usually seven or eight guys that have been targeted by Smith throughout the game. That significantly helps the rest of the offense.

Bottom line - about whether or not Bowe has 15 receptions per game. It's irrelevant, especially in light of the fact that they TEAM is 5-0 when just a year ago Bowe was getting a ton of looks and we were one of, if not the, worst offensive team in NFL history and were losing games by enormous double digit margins.

[O.city]

Before you talk about separation or no separation, go read the arrowhead pride link.


Bowes getting open downfield.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Yeah...

Their problem is that they are 5-0.

It sucks, I know, but what the hell are you to do?

Personally, who gives a rat's ass about who is getting the ball. The game isn't about Dwayne Bowe's fantasy numbers, it's about getting enough wins to get to the playoffs which gives you the possibility, a chance at hoisting the Lombardi at the very end. Period. End of story. And, straight up, a single wide receiver isn't going to carry a team through the playoffs and win a team a Super Bowl. Ever. So I would suggest not getting your panties in a tight knot about the number of receptions Bowe has to date. They are 5-0 in a new offense with a new QB behind an offensive line that has three new guys starting on it (Allen, Hudson, Fisher), a new fullback, an all new receiving corps other than Bowe & McCluster, etc., etc., etc.

I'm pretty freakin' giddy about the possibilities of what this team can/will do once everyone is on the same page - both offensively and defensively. And I don't expect that to happen until next season to be honest.

However, while we are on the subject, from my observations, Bowe is not separating very well right now and has been a bit slow coming off in his breaks. He's also dropped some passes he should have caught and he's blown some routes. While Smith could be looking in his direction a bit more, Bowe himself hasn't helped his QB have a ton of confidence in him either.

However, he's blocking exceptionally well and he's getting the opposing defenses #1 CB. That's opening up the offense which shows as it's usually seven or eight guys that have been targeted by Smith throughout the game. That significantly helps the rest of the offense.

Bottom line - about whether or not Bowe has 15 receptions per game. It's irrelevant, especially in light of the fact that they TEAM is 5-0 when just a year ago Bowe was getting a ton of looks and we were one of, if not the, worst offensive team in NFL history and were losing games by enormous double digit margins.

This. Eat it and ask for more.

[Color Red]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

The problem is... Bowe has never really been great at getting separation consistently and now he has a QB that does his damndest to not throw to a covered WR. Bowe thrived on our past crappy QBs throwing into coverage so he can muscle the catch.

Well said.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Yeah...

Their problem is that they are 5-0.

It sucks, I know, but what the hell are you to do?

Personally, who gives a rat's ass about who is getting the ball. The game isn't about Dwayne Bowe's fantasy numbers, it's about getting enough wins to get to the playoffs which gives you the possibility, a chance at hoisting the Lombardi at the very end. Period. End of story. And, straight up, a single wide receiver isn't going to carry a team through the playoffs and win a team a Super Bowl. Ever. So I would suggest not getting your panties in a tight knot about the number of receptions Bowe has to date. They are 5-0 in a new offense with a new QB behind an offensive line that has three new guys starting on it (Allen, Hudson, Fisher), a new fullback, an all new receiving corps other than Bowe & McCluster, etc., etc., etc.

I'm pretty freakin' giddy about the possibilities of what this team can/will do once everyone is on the same page - both offensively and defensively. And I don't expect that to happen until next season to be honest.

However, while we are on the subject, from my observations, Bowe is not separating very well right now and has been a bit slow coming off in his breaks. He's also dropped some passes he should have caught and he's blown some routes. While Smith could be looking in his direction a bit more, Bowe himself hasn't helped his QB have a ton of confidence in him either.

However, he's blocking exceptionally well and he's getting the opposing defenses #1 CB. That's opening up the offense which shows as it's usually seven or eight guys that have been targeted by Smith throughout the game. That significantly helps the rest of the offense.

Bottom line - about whether or not Bowe has 15 receptions per game. It's irrelevant, especially in light of the fact that they TEAM is 5-0 when just a year ago Bowe was getting a ton of looks and we were one of, if not the, worst offensive team in NFL history and were losing games by enormous double digit margins.

well stated. understated, actually.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by O.city

Before you talk about separation or no separation, go read the arrowhead pride link.


Bowes getting open downfield.

He's getting jammed at the line more than I can ever remember. He's not immediately separating/cleanly separating. It looks like he's being out-muscled at times. That's allowing the safety to come off his route and being single covered by the CB which let's him "get open" downfield after the progressions have been run - or when blocking is breaking down (which is happening rapidly to date, and I think that Smith is handling the questionable blocking quite well so far, but it has hurt Bowe's opportunities).

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

He's getting jammed at the line more than I can ever remember. He's not immediately separating/cleanly separating. It looks like he's being out-muscled at times. That's allowing the safety to come off his route and being single covered by the CB which let's him "get open" downfield after the progressions have been run - or when blocking is breaking down (which is happening rapidly to date, and I think that Smith is handling the questionable blocking quite well so far, but it has hurt Bowe's opportunities so far).

Yes.

You can't say it, because it's an excuse or something, but the ol has to start playing better. I thought the interior ol, basically the entire ol but Stephenson, played their best game against the tits

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

The Chiefs have a problem and his name is NOT Bowe.

It's not Alex Smith either. Not yet. I don't know how long he can keep it up, but as long as he continues to play 4th quarter football like this, I'm a lot more forgiving about what he does the first 3 quarters.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by aturnis

I don't know. The defense has seen a huge change and it hasn't slowed progress. I know it typically takes more time for offenses to gel, especially with timing in this type of system, but the defensive playbook is so big and intricate at this point, I have to put them on a level playing field.

Right now, and I know I'll get shit for this, but I dislike Andy Reid's offense. From the blocking scheme change, to the misuse of talent(under utilizing Bowe and Hemingway), to the conservative nature of the QB. I know Reid can't control Smith, and wants him to be more aggressive, but it's his man. Also not a fan of throwing, to no avail, on third and short, or running Charles up the middle for no gain time and time, and time again.

Defenses are typically way ahead of offenses early in the season.

I too have had issues with a lot of the play calling, but on 3rd and short, I dont have a problem with trying to run up the middle for the 1st. It has been a problem but that is why Im not complaining.
We need to improve our short yardage run game. Its a simple yet crucial 3rd down situation that needs improvement, which hopefully will come around.
I have no bones with Ried over trying to line up and smash out a 1st behind Sherman, who is a beast.
Encouraged by it actually, as Reid is notorious for throwing too much on 3rd and short, and was worried that he would do that too often the way he did in Philly.
Also encouraged by the slow, yet existent increase in Reids influence in getting Smith to go down field. Hopefully that continues, and becomes more frequent
Averys speed has to be accounted for now, and I honestly have been bothered by Reids lack of drags and short crossing patterns to Bowe, who is GREAT at getting YAC on those types of plays. He has instead been using Avery for those when Avery needs to be stretching the field vertically, and opening those designed short crosses up for Bowe.

[mrbiggz]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/1...bowe-vs-titans


Great break down of Bowe.

Well just as I thought. They need to do a better job of getting bowe the ball. That clears that up.