Football The Broncos: I don't see it. - Page 7

Direckshun · 05-02-2012, 05:10 PM

I really don't.

The Manning thing was a stroke of genius, if only because John Elway has the benefit of being Manning's idol. I tell you what, if I was a future Hall of Fame basketball player, and none of you know me so let's just say I am, I'd probably be more inclined to play for the Pacers under Larry Bird (favorite player of all time) than on a small market playoff team like the Memphis Grizzlies.

I think the Broncos, with that acquisition, are about to have themselves a Top 5 passing game in the NFL.

The problem is, I'm pretty sure that's all this team is.

The offensive line is not close to being fixed. Orlando Franklin has been serviceable on the right side, but is not an Eric Winston world beater at the position. And unless they move Franklin inside, their interior line is a joke. Beadles looks like he's getting another year sucking it up at RG, and it looks like JD Walton will be sucking it up at C yet again, because I honestly don't think Phillip Blake unseats him. And if he does, we'll take 680 lbs of nose tackle and shove it up right up the rook's nose.

Which would mean a ton if they had a demonic run game to threaten defenses with -- which, ding ding ding, you guessed it: it's average. Willis McGahee was running like a wildman when Tebow was under center, but they couldn't move the ball against the Chiefs bottom-third run defense late in the year. The only reinforcements they've brought in? A scatback from San Diego State, Ronnie Hillman.

I've no doubt that teams will drop eight, giving the Donks a chance to run better, but it's nothing a stout defensive line and a fast linebacker corps can't rectify.

Their defensive line continues to underwhelm me up the middle -- I like what they have coming off the edges, but I think you can run right at Dumervil and Ayers (I regard Miller as the real deal). I've never been a big DJ Williams fan, just plays too much like Derrick Johnson from the Vermeil days for me to get too excited about.

Their secondary has some talent. Bailey is an All Pro in his twilight years, and I love that safety they drafted from UCLA last year. But Porter has spent the past year or two getting his ass handed to him in New Orleans, and their rookie corner is coming off a devastating injury and is going to take a year or two to develop anyway.

The more things change, the more they stay the same... the Broncos are looking a lot now like the Colts did in the latter Manning years: all pass game with an average run game, with a shit defense apart from two passrushers.

It was a successful strategy in Indianapolis, when the run game was better. The offensive line was better. The defense was better.

And the quarterback was younger, stronger, not a year out of football, one hit away from being sidelined.

In which case, we'll either see a lanky-ass rookie with a Tebow-style delivery, or Caleb Hanie, who we beat in 2011 with Tyler Palko under center.

Sorry folks, don't see it.

San Diego or Kansas City make a ton more sense as division winners.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-02-2012, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Cool. Let me ask you this.

Had Manning come to KC do you think he would have had a legit chance at winning a SB in the next 3 years?

A much better chance, but I don't think we have the depth necessary.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-02-2012, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

RBs that are for sure better:

Ray Rice
Matt Forte
Adrian Peterson
Arian Foster
Maurice Jones Drew
Chris Johnson
Michael Turner
DeAngelo Williams
Jonathan Stewart
Darren Sproles
Fred Jackson
Reggie Bush
Ahmad Bradshaw
LeSean McCoy
Jamaal Charles
Darren McFadden
Ryan Mathews
Beanie Wells
Frank Gore
Marshawn Lynch
Steven Jackson

Am I wrong on any of these? I might have even left off a few.

And he's averaged 4.1 yards in those years he's had 200+ carries. Hardly a great number.

Only 7 of those guys were better last year. If you want to devalue him because he plays for Denver, feel free. Just be honest about doing so.

O.city · 05-02-2012, 08:55 PM

Do you think he will get 200 plus carries in a PM offense this year?

**Easy 6** · 05-02-2012, 08:55 PM

It may not jump right out at first... but by midseason this defense will be a SICK handful for every offense it faces, and that certainly includes dinver.

Yes, Manning will make those receivers look better than they are, just like he did in Indy, but it wont be to the same extent, no WAY he hasnt lost velocity on his medium to deep ball, he's going to have to be more of a dink-dunk player than ever before.

But the best part imo, is this front seven against that O line... Peyton better hope his release is as quick as ever, which it probably wont be.

This KC D is going to be nasty, you can etch that in stone.

Marcellus · 05-02-2012, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

A much better chance, but I don't think we have the depth necessary.

That is quit possible. Thing is Manning went to where he is most comfortable, not where he has the best chance to win.

For such a "competitor" that seems odd. I think he is done, just wanted a place to be happy and pad stats. No way you look at Denver and think that's my best chance to win it all. If he was looking for that he goes to SF. Dude is over his skis at this point.

-King- · 05-02-2012, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Only 7 of those guys were better last year. If you want to devalue him because he plays for Denver, feel free. Just be honest about doing so.

How in the **** are any of those guys not better than McGahee? Which ones specifically do you not agree on? I feel like laughing.

Can't believe you think McGahee is better than 15 of the backs I listed.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-02-2012, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

That is quit possible. Thing is Manning went to where he is most comfortable, not where he has the best chance to win.

For such a "competitor" that seems odd. I think he is done, just wanted a place to be happy and pad stats. No way you look at Denver and think that's my best chance to win it all. If he was looking for that he goes to SF. Dude is over his skis at this point.

I think it's obvious there was an issue with either our front office, our coaching staff, or both.

I don't think he sniffs a SB in Denver, but keep in mind - this isn't a one shot deal. He'll get a few cracks at it, and they'll try to improve the roster - which isn't nearly as weak as people here claim it is.

**Easy 6** · 05-02-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JD10367

IF Peyton is 100% healthy--and that's a huge "if"--he immediately makes them a legitimate playoff contender. But they're no Super Bowl locks. And their schedule is frigging brutal. They start with the Steelers, @ Falcons, Texans, Raiders, @ Pats, and @ Chargers. Even with a healthy Peyton, that team could be 1-5 by their bye week. And games after that include @ Cincy, the Chargers again, the Chiefs twice, and @ Baltimore.

The second sentence is my favorite, that IS a killer schedule.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-02-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

How in the **** are any of those guys not better than McGahee? Which ones specifically do you not agree on? I feel like laughing.

Can't believe you think McGahee is better than 15 of the backs I listed.

He was better than those 15 backs LAST YEAR.

Not sure how much clearer I can be there.

-King- · 05-02-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He was better than those 15 backs LAST YEAR.

Not sure how much clearer I can be there.

So all that proves is that he had one above average year last year. My point still stands. There are 20+ backs better than him on a year in-year out basis.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-02-2012, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

So all that proves is that he had one above average year last year. My point still stands. There are 20+ backs better than him on a year in-year out basis.

Wow.

Finishing 8th in rushing, tied for 4th in YPC with LeSean McCoy, is just "above average."

Yeah, you're not biased.

Holy shit.

**BossChief** · 05-02-2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

When he's gotten the bulk of the work, he's been consistently good.

Best YPC of his career last year. If you give him 240+ carries, he's given back 1100+ yards 4 out of 5 seasons.

Why would you even think about including 2009 and 2010? He didn't get more than 110 carries in either season. Pretty disingenuous.

He is a hell of a lot better than if he was a Chief.

Amirite?

Really though, dudes stats were inflated last year because they ran the ****ing option. Same as Ronnie Browns averages and yardage was effected when they rant the wildcat.

Dude is a dime a dozen back and I can't believe you're pimping him.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-02-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

He is a hell of a lot better than if he was a Chief.

Amirite?

Actually, the other way around.

He's being discredited because he plays for a rival.

FWIW, I'd love to have WM as a Chief.

Hammock Parties · 05-02-2012, 09:23 PM

He was considered a brokedick before Tebow and the option last year.

Smells like a fluke if you ask me.

**BossChief** · 05-02-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Actually, the other way around.

He's being discredited because he plays for a rival.

FWIW, I'd love to have WM as a Chief.

I'd like him as a Chief, too...but I think Hillis can be an equally effective runner and I can say he is an average back, too.

He probably offers more than McGahee does, tbh.

Neither guy is better than the 15th best back in the league...if we are gonna make a case for one or the other, I'd probably take McGahee, but only due to fumbles PH had in 2010....if he eliminates those, he is by far the better of the two.

Btw...he is our second or third best back we have....Willis is their clear cut best back and he is nothing you have to prepare specially for.

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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4093447	The Broncos: I don't see it. I really don't. The Manning thing was a stroke of genius, if only because John Elway has the benefit of being Manning's idol. I tell you what, if I was a future Hall of Fame basketball player, and none of you know me so let's just say I am, I'd probably be more inclined to play for the Pacers under Larry Bird (favorite player of all time) than on a small market playoff team like the Memphis Grizzlies. I think the Broncos, with that acquisition, are about to have themselves a Top 5 passing game in the NFL. The problem is, I'm pretty sure that's all this team is. The offensive line is not close to being fixed. Orlando Franklin has been serviceable on the right side, but is not an Eric Winston world beater at the position. And unless they move Franklin inside, their interior line is a joke. Beadles looks like he's getting another year sucking it up at RG, and it looks like JD Walton will be sucking it up at C yet again, because I honestly don't think Phillip Blake unseats him. And if he does, we'll take 680 lbs of nose tackle and shove it up right up the rook's nose. Which would mean a ton if they had a demonic run game to threaten defenses with -- which, ding ding ding, you guessed it: it's average. Willis McGahee was running like a wildman when Tebow was under center, but they couldn't move the ball against the Chiefs bottom-third run defense late in the year. The only reinforcements they've brought in? A scatback from San Diego State, Ronnie Hillman. I've no doubt that teams will drop eight, giving the Donks a chance to run better, but it's nothing a stout defensive line and a fast linebacker corps can't rectify. Their defensive line continues to underwhelm me up the middle -- I like what they have coming off the edges, but I think you can run right at Dumervil and Ayers (I regard Miller as the real deal). I've never been a big DJ Williams fan, just plays too much like Derrick Johnson from the Vermeil days for me to get too excited about. Their secondary has some talent. Bailey is an All Pro in his twilight years, and I love that safety they drafted from UCLA last year. But Porter has spent the past year or two getting his ass handed to him in New Orleans, and their rookie corner is coming off a devastating injury and is going to take a year or two to develop anyway. The more things change, the more they stay the same... the Broncos are looking a lot now like the Colts did in the latter Manning years: all pass game with an average run game, with a shit defense apart from two passrushers. It was a successful strategy in Indianapolis, when the run game was better. The offensive line was better. The defense was better. And the quarterback was younger, stronger, not a year out of football, one hit away from being sidelined. In which case, we'll either see a lanky-ass rookie with a Tebow-style delivery, or Caleb Hanie, who we beat in 2011 with Tyler Palko under center. Sorry folks, don't see it. San Diego or Kansas City make a ton more sense as division winners.
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