The Film Room aka formerdb: "Chiefs: Quarterbacks and the Coaching"

[rico]

http://echointhehead.blogspot.com/20....html?spref=tw


Quarterbacking:

When looking at a QB I strip away the Heisman's, MVP's, Super Bowl's...and just look at how they throw a ball. Natural talent like Peyton Manning is scattered throughout the NFL. There is nothing special about how he throws a football from point A to B...a lot of better balls came out of Jamarcus Russell's arm.

If you just watched Peyton Manning it's is not a pretty site. But there isn't a more efficient player on the move than Peyton Manning. The big key with Manning is he can get to his drops quicker than any player in the NFL even at his size. Meaning he has the ability to throw before a defense can diagnose it's a pass.

Sometimes something as simple as that can turn a rather above average QB into a great one. The elite QB's in the NFL aren't the elite talents in Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Manning...rather they are the most efficient passers in the NFL. All 4 QB's are versatile enough passers to run the style of offense they run, not based on natural talent rather touch/timing.

If you go out to the yard and toss a football from 10 yards, 20 yards, and 30 yards each throw would be different. The mechanics of those throws will be slightly different. The amount of force will be different as well. Scouting a QB is simply identifying how a QB accounts for it with ability and mechanics.

When pressed I often say that Joe Flacco is my favorite QB in the NFL. Flacco can go the furthest downfield without breaking his mechanics. From 30-40 yards Flacco can still manipulate good touch on the football...personally that control at that distance is something I appreciate over any other passer. Every QB breaks mechanics to launch a ball. It's typically where that break happens is what determines functional arm strength to me.

Stanzi:

I don't love the natural talent but I love the technique. His balance/arm efficiency/functional strength/release point all in my opinion are near elite. Stanzi has the tools to be one of the more efficient passers in the league. The issue with Stanzi goes back to that "break" in mechanics when passing.

Stanzi's mind as a QB doesn't match his skill set. Stanzi plays a power style with a efficient skill set. For me I still love the prospect but at this point his style of play will never allow him to tap into what he can actually excel in. As much as I love Stanzi as an intermediate passer, he is too aggressive and often break excellent mechanics in favor of more aggressive reads.

If anyone ask me who I wanted to start for the Chiefs it was Ricky Stanzi. I wasn't certain he was a better QB than Cassel or Quinn, but I was certain he was a more talented passer. Ultimately the amount of "passes" a QB has determines the versatility of the passing game. A team can have Jerry Rice but if the Quarterback can't beat a cover 3 then it doesn't matter...this team is capped on the amount of routes they can call due to the QB.

Daboll/Cassel:

In the preseason I stressed that Cassel looked better because of the passes he was throwing. Stanzi utilized a completely different set of reads. Stanzi's reads had a higher degree of difficulty. To me every completion or attempt isn't equal. How a QB missed the post on a cover 3 is a lot more intriguing than the QB hitting a slant vs. cover 2.

That's the key issue of the season, the reason for the collapse. Daboll and Crennel picked the wrong QB's to run this offense. They picked the guys that were attempting and hitting the easy reads in the preseason over the guy that was missing on the more aggressive reads. It's basic...if you're playbook has a bunch of deep routes, then get the QB that throws those routes.

What's happening is simple. Because we can't threaten deep teams just bracket underneath. It's a simple adjustment that the Chiefs don't have the ability to get teams out of. In my opinion Quinn nor Cassel have that ability. But that shouldn't be what is derailing this team. Long ago Daboll had to figure his player out.

Daboll was applauding Cassel with hitting Baldwin on a fade vs. cover 1...hitting the TE on a skinny post vs. cover 2. Essentially every team has taken those routes away from this offense. It comes as no shock that we aren't having success passing. The timing is not there because Cassel wasn't forced to work on the timing throughout preseason. Felt nervous that we had a coaching staff that lacked vision.

This offenses talents is suited for movement. Albert, Asomoah, Lilja, Allen, Charles, Moeaki are all suited to play in space...with a few of them being among the more athletic players at their positions in the NFL. Players that are suited to play horizontal are being forced to play vertically. Most are making the transition but our Cassel/Quinn don't have the ability to.

What has changed schematically in Kansas City is simple. We went from a team that ran on the perimeter to a team that runs in the interior. We went from a team that threw a bunch of screens, hooks, hitches, slants to one that uses more vertical routes. For the most part every facet is transitioning to the changes outside of the Quarterback.

Final Thought

Stanzi utilizes the reads that this offense is designed to use. Theoretically those vertical routes are supposed to threaten the safety. Mathematically the threat of the pass should account for an additional defender. Depending on the range of the passing game determines the depth of the secondary. Currently the passing game can't remove a defender in the run game.

Because of the lack of the vertical passing attack defenders are flooded in the intermediate zone...hence why so many deflections are being intercepted. The threat of a vertical passing game removes Chargers safety Eric Weddle and the pick on the deflection doesn't happen. Currently because of Quarterback talent this offense is unable to force that adjustment making our intermediate reads a lower percentage.

Daboll has to understand that...instead of waiting for an adjustment from defenses that won't come. He is going to have to adjust if these are his options at QB. I still believe Cassel can serve a purpose, but he can't run this offense. Daboll has to figure out a way to make his QB better or he will handcuff this team to a bad marriage of natural talent and scheme.

Change has to happen...if Daboll doesn't change he has to go...if Cassel doesn't change then the scheme has to...if the scheme doesn't change then the QB has to. The status quo is flawed and is getting in this teams way.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

John Harbaugh?

Uh, what?

****. Jim Harbaugh.

Ten years ago I didn't know Jim Harbaugh even had a brother who coached. Now I can't keep them straight.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

****. Jim Harbaugh.

Ten years ago I didn't know Jim Harbaugh even had a brother who coached. Now I can't keep them straight.

Both you and BossChiefs kept referring to John, so I thought I was missing something.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I don't think Stanzi gets to play until after the MNF game against Pittsburgh.

He should start against SD though.

Has there EVER been a time when a QB has been benched and then regained his starting job or that team and went on to be successful?

The closest I can come to this is Terry Bradshaw being benched as the starter for the last 4 or 5 games in his rookie season in favor of Terry Hanratty.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Both you and BossChiefs kept referring to John, so I thought I was missing something.

haha oops

Originally Posted by milkman

The closest I can come to this is Terry Bradshaw being benched as the starter for the last 4 or 5 games in his rookie season in favor of Terry Hanratty.

This isn't the first time you have brought up Terry Bradshaw in Stanzi related threads.

I like it.

[whoman69]

I look at it like this.

Cassel = proven fail
Quinn = proven fail despite the limited look
Stanzi = maybe

The season is over for the year. The Chiefs have to look to the future. Quinn and Cassel are obviously not that future. We need to see if Stanzi can be.

[Ace Gunner]

Phil Simms was a 4th year starter for big blue, got hurt/lost for season. Lost the starting job mid season the following year to a no name, was named the starter the following season, won 2 championships, though he was injured during the playoffs and hostetler actually played/won the second champioship game.

And he did suck those first seasons before being benched.

Phil Simms is one of the HOF's many mistakes at the QB position.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Phobia

Phil Simms is one of the HOF's many mistakes at the QB position.

whoops. My mistake -- corrected. Not HOF.

[Ace Gunner]

I go back and forth on Simms. He was a very mistake prone QB those first seasons and like many Chiefs fans today, I (and most Giants fans) had been through a losing decade of misery when suddenly the team began to play better adding better players from the draft etc. Simms came on the scene and seemed to hinder progress in the eyes of fans, anyway, with his dumb mistakes.

But the reason I brought it up was that he is a rare person to accomplish this. He really did lead the Giants during much of the eighties, though LT and others on the defense were revered to be the big leaders of that team.

I hear his name bandied during HOF committee meetings. He is borderline, no doubt. I would be okay with it either way. He was a gritty player and the Giants could not have won without him. Not big anyway. But, he was never as flashy as other QB's of his time.

Those NFC playoff games of the eighties were dynamite kegged with brutality. The Bears, Redskins and 49ers games were annual beatdowns of the highest order.

[MahiMike]

"The status quo is flawed and is getting in this teams way".

Actually, the status quo is perfect for 1-15. Keep up the good work and don't change a thing.

[Woodchuck]

Originally Posted by BossChief
I don't think Stanzi gets to play until after the MNF game against Pittsburgh.

He should start against SD though.

Has there EVER been a time when a QB has been benched and then regained his starting job or that team and went on to be successful?

I remember McNabb got benched for Kolb in 2008 for a short time when they were .500. He came back and led Philly to the wildcard and went on to the NFC Championship where they lost to the Cardinals.

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

whoops. My mistake -- corrected. Not HOF.

Thank goodness. Seems sketchy if so.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by whoman69

I look at it like this.

Cassel = proven fail
Quinn = proven fail despite the limited look
Stanzi = maybe

The season is over for the year. The Chiefs have to look to the future. Quinn and Cassel are obviously not that future. We need to see if Stanzi can be.

He couldn't beat out either Cassel or Quinn.

Stanzi doesn't even dress for games.

**** no.

Draft two new studs. Geno and then Nassib in the third and pick up a free agent veteran.

Flush all these worthless turds.

[Hammock Parties]

Phil Simms = Trent Green

[whoman69]

Does anyone believe Cassel will learn from his mistakes. If anything he is regressing. According to him he's still playing at a high level. He needs to change his standards and not settle for crap.