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How the NFL is Cheating Rookies out of Millions of Dollars
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Not able to post on my phone but this a really interesting article. What do you think? Should NFL players strike? If you were an NFL rookie, what would your mindset be? |
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Players would make a lot more money without a salary cap. So it stands to reason that every CBA they fight like hell to get every bit of share of the pie. And they are justified in doing so because they could make a lot more without a salary cap. |
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07-16-2017, 04:42 PM | #93 |
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I think all sports should go from their current contracts to performance based contracts. The players would never go for this but guaranteed contracts are horrible for teams. I agree that cutting players for no reason but saving money is also bad as well.
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The way I see it the 2 big problems with the cba in the players eyes is one: Roger has too much power and two: Young studs that have outplayed their deals after two years can't get paid.
The vets did the second. They bitched and moaned about rookies getting more money than them. When they reach the renegotiation year it will be interesting.
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Nah, it'll be the same. The young guys won't have enough representation to outvote the veteran players.
In terms of Goodell, the owners look at it as a Give & Take. If the owners grant the players a specific wish, they take something away from them. The NFLPA will never win. |
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And JFC, just because some players take a contract below market value doesn't mean the majority wouldn't go to the highest bidder. Am I really having to argue that without a salary cap, player salaries will go up? Seriously? |
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It would be a fun experiment. Theoretically, you wouldn't necessarily vote out the best player, but rather you'd vote out the most underpaid player, right? And it should be the most underpaid player from the team that's the favorite to win the division. I wonder if it would play out that way.
And given the contract systems, it should be most likely to be a third-year player or second-year player, I think, because you'd want to vote a guy into free agency to take as many years of production away as possible. But in the real world, maybe that wouldn't happen because teams have such a short-term outlook. Maybe you vote off a fourth-year guy if he's the best player to get the biggest immediate advantage. Who would the Chiefs vote into free agency for the 2017 season? Would it be Derek Carr? He's a logical choice, but he also just signed an enormous contract. Von Miller, the barroom killer? I don't know his contract structure. Or after Season 1, maybe you go for Joey Bosa, but I don't think the Chargers are enough of a threat. Who would other teams pick? It would be tempting for them to vote for Tyreek, but he may be unproven as of yet. Maybe they'd vote Peters or Berry off of the Chiefs, but I suspect the Broncos and Chargers might vote Carr off first, just due to positional value.
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So, the last contract system was too crazy, paying these guys way over the top for doing nothing. Now, this version is screwing them over.
Hmmm... Maybe, they would agree to a true performance based model where they all come out with baseline guarantees given their selection. And then, if they over-perform OR under-perform, they are paid (not paid) accordingly. There is no perfect system. Carr is entering his 4th year and is now making what, $25m a year... he's totally getting screwed.
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This is really stupid.
The Union negotiated for a split between the owners and the players of the revenue as between them. That split is what results in the salary cap number. There are also provisions for teams to engage in a minimum spend. To the degree rookies are getting screwed, it's to the advantage of the older players. In other words, if you assume NFL revenues are $1.00, and the players get .55, then this article is more about how that .55 is being shared between rookies versus older players. And the reason for this is obvious -- many older players and teams were incredibly annoyed that massive contracts were going to players that sometimes were complete busts. As for NFL versus NBA, spare me. The entire economic system is vastly different due to the different nature of the sports and team-building.
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One player from each TEAM, regardless, sure. But to "unbuild" a team for parity reasons? Really? And I can't even imagine the bribe system this could trigger. I'm highly confident this is one of those "looked good on paper but what a bad idea that turned out to be" kind of things due to unintended consequences. Humans are human.
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