Reid Draft Record is Nothing to Get Excited About

[slimdagreat]

Originally Posted by BradBigglestein

I don't know if Pro Bowls are the be all end all of evaluation, but if you want me to, I can name you all the draft picks that went horribly wrong on defense over the years. It is a big reason why the team had to resort to that ridiculous spending spree a couple years ago. So many defensive draft picks didn't work out and they needed to fill roster spots.

The best Eagles defensive players in Reid's tenure were Trotter and Dawkins. Both Ray Rhodes guys. Trent Cole was Reid's best defensive draft pick. A 5th rounder.

well what's the criteria then because he also picked 18 players that played in at least 100 games (indicating they were good enough to stick for several seasons) and 9 were on offense and 9 were on defense.

[BradBigglestein]

Originally Posted by slimdagreat

well what's the criteria then because he also picked 18 players that played in at least 100 games (indicating they were good enough to stick for several seasons) and 9 were on offense and 9 were on defense.

Reid has had some success with late round picks over the years. A lot of them were not great, but merely started because the other players were so poor. A big problem with Reid is he drafted some decent players, but very few franchise defensive players. Corey Simon and Trent Cole were it really.

Just to name some high draft picks that didn't work out. I don't usually point out the mid to late round picks because they are hit and miss anyway.

Quinton Caver
Jerome McDouble
Matt McCoy
Stewart Bradley
Victor Abiamiri
Brandon Graham
Jaiquawn Jarrett
Nate Allen
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
Bryan Smith
Chris Gocong
Matt Ware

Those are all rounds 1-3. So I didn't even go into round 4. None of those players have worked out for the Eagles and the only ones remaining on the roster are Graham and Allen. Allen will probably be cut.

[slimdagreat]

Originally Posted by BradBigglestein

Reid has had some success with late round picks over the years. A lot of them were not great, but merely started because the other players were so poor.

If Philly didn't have the 6th most wins of any team since 1999 I'd agree with you. If you have a pereneal playoff team and you're playing in 100 games even if most of them are with a different team it's a good pick

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by BradBigglestein

Reid has had some success with late round picks over the years. A lot of them were not great, but merely started because the other players were so poor. A big problem with Reid is he drafted some decent players, but very few franchise defensive players. Corey Simon and Trent Cole were it really.

Just to name some high draft picks that didn't work out. I don't usually point out the mid to late round picks because they are hit and miss anyway.

Quinton Caver
Jerome McDouble
Matt McCoy
Stewart Bradley
Victor Abiamiri
Brandon Graham
Jaiquawn Jarrett
Nate Allen
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
Bryan Smith
Chris Gocong
Matt Ware

Those are all rounds 1-3. So I didn't even go into round 4. None of those players have worked out for the Eagles and the only ones remaining on the roster are Graham and Allen. Allen will probably be cut.

No problem. Reid won't need a defense. It's not like there's a team in the AFC West that can score a lot of points.

[L.A. Chieffan]

McNabb was an overrated choker. Gowalrus told me that.

[slimdagreat]

I'm not the biggest Andy Reid fan don't get me wrong. I'd rather have him running things than Pioli but I think you guys are trying to over critique his draft history to make a point. He's had some misses as have most coaches/GMs but I think his hits show he's a pretty good judge of talent.

[BradBigglestein]

I'm not trying to make any point. I have said he is a good hire. I think drafting is a weakness of his. If he surrounds himself with good talent evaluators and scouts, it may not be an issue.

I'm an Eagles fan and I look at it completely objectively. I'd say drafting is a weakness of his. There is no bias on my end at all. Jim Johnson did a great job molding a defense out of inferior talent at times. When he passed away you saw how greatly the defense fell apart.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by BradBigglestein

I'm not trying to make any point. I have said he is a good hire. I think drafting is a weakness of his. If he surrounds himself with good talent evaluators and scouts, it may not be an issue.

I'm an Eagles fan and I look at it completely objectively. I'd say drafting is a weakness of his. There is no bias on my end at all. Jim Johnson did a great job molding a defense out of inferior talent at times. When he passed away you saw how greatly the defense fell apart.

Any draft weakness is negated significantly if John Dorsey is hired to be GM.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Hugh Janus

Any draft weakness is negated significantly if John Dorsey is hired to be GM.

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[Bump]

Originally Posted by BradBigglestein

I'm not trying to make any point. I have said he is a good hire. I think drafting is a weakness of his. If he surrounds himself with good talent evaluators and scouts, it may not be an issue.

I'm an Eagles fan and I look at it completely objectively. I'd say drafting is a weakness of his. There is no bias on my end at all. Jim Johnson did a great job molding a defense out of inferior talent at times. When he passed away you saw how greatly the defense fell apart.

most Chiefs fans, that have been around a while, have a pr-condidtioned thing
in their brains that make them extremely pessimistic. It's easy to look for all of his faults and expect that to happen to us, since you know, we've been burned in the past. A lot.

[BradBigglestein]

Originally Posted by Bump

most Chiefs fans, that have been around a while, have a pr-condidtioned thing
in their brains that make them extremely pessimistic. It's easy to look for all of his faults and expect that to happen to us, since you know, we've been burned in the past. A lot.

It's a good hire. But having followed the guy for 14 years, I'm trying to give the lowdown to Chiefs fans as for what to expect. Both positively and negatively. So you aren't blindsided when the flaws become apparent. Now how excited you get about the move us up to the fans. I think you should be excited. He's a good coach and a proven winner.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BradBigglestein

It's a good hire. But having followed the guy for 14 years, I'm trying to give the lowdown to Chiefs fans as for what to expect. Both positively and negatively. So you aren't blindsided when the flaws become apparent. Now how excited you get about the move us up to the fans. I think you should be excited. He's a good coach and a proven winner.

No coach is perfect or without flaws, including the all-time greats.

This is the best Chiefs hire since 1989. Hopefully, he'll have success that Marty never found.

Now is not the time to criticizes the hire.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by BradBigglestein

It's a good hire. But having followed the guy for 14 years, I'm trying to give the lowdown to Chiefs fans as for what to expect. Both positively and negatively. So you aren't blindsided when the flaws become apparent. Now how excited you get about the move us up to the fans. I think you should be excited. He's a good coach and a proven winner.

Do you have a way of linking me to when the news guy was asking Reid about KCs quarterback position and he said "we have the first pick"?

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Do you have a way of linking me to when the news guy was asking Reid about KCs quarterback position and he said "we have the first pick"?

I asked him that the other day. He said he didn't have it or couldn't.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Do you have a way of linking me to when the news guy was asking Reid about KCs quarterback position and he said "we have the first pick"?

It's buried in a mega-thread.

You could try searching for threads by him that contain the word "Eskin".