Our (not so good) cap situation for 2017

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Alright, so it's another long Sunday without football, and while I don't want to look past this year too much, have any of you noticed our current amount of cap space for next offseason?

According to Over The Cap, we are sitting with a shade under 6 million in available space for 2017. I'm not sure it's 100% accurate, but it's gotta be close.

This is without Eric Berry or Dontari Poe under contract, too. Now, we know it's an issue Dorsey has to address and he has shown in the past that he will, but how? What would you do? Here's the link to tinker with all of the different options of moves that can be made. http://overthecap.com/calculator/kansas-city-chiefs/

Personally, I think move number one is to get that Fisher cap number down with an extension. A lot of the other moves are going to depend on how certain guys fare this season, but one that stands out is Mauga's cap number. It'd be really nice to see March or Wilson take his job and make him expendable next offseason. Also, you have the Jamaal dilemma, who would instantly free up 7 million, or Colquitt who frees up over 4 million... hell, Tyler Bray even approaches 2 million.

What do you think Dorsey does to save the world this time? Discuss

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by jspchief

I'm genuinely curious what point you're trying to argue here. That's it's possible to win games without star players? I never claimed otherwise.

Are they better with or without them? We're the Chiefs better at the start of 2015 with Sean Smith suspended? Do you think think they would have been a better team with Smith on the field? Do you think Dorsey thinks they would have been better with Smith out there?

Would the 2014 Chiefs have been a better team with a healthy Devito, DJ, and Berry? Or is the goal 9-7?

What point are you trying to make?

The Sean Smith argument is completely flawed.

Stating that "draft picks" don't work out is flawed, as the last 15 draft picks are on the current roster.

The point I'm making is that you're talking out of your ass by insulting Pugs and Staylor, and of course me, with your position.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dorsey has stated in several interviews that his guy was Jones.

Yeah, he said Jones was...but KC isn't exactly shallow at that position. I would say DJ's replacement is more pressing ...

I think the writing is on the wall..if Jones looks good.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Yeah, he said Jones was...but KC isn't exactly shallow at that position. I would say DJ's replacement is more pressing ...

I think the writing is on the wall..if Jones looks good.

Above average ILBers can be found each year in the first and second round.

[kccrow]

John Dorsey came from the best team in the NFL at drafting and developing its own talent. In fact, Green Bay is among the top few in the NFL at getting contributors from late round picks. I have more faith in Dorsey than to just get guys from round 1.

And having the comps helps, at least he has that many more chances to hit on talent despite letting good talent go.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Above average ILBers can be found each year in the first and second every year.

Hell, 3rd and 4th lately.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Above average ILBers can be found each year in the first and second round.

Possibly...but Jack has the ability to replace DJ....who was I think was the #15 pick. I dont think anyone views one of the top overall prospects as simply "above average".

That's what I mean by "hedging"...or financial hedging.

He obviously thinks DL is more valuable.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Possibly...but Jack has the ability to replace DJ....who was I think was the #15 pick. I dont think anyone views one of the top overall prospects as simply "above average".

That's what I mean by "hedging"...or financial hedging.

He obviously thinks DL is more pressing.

DJ didn't produce to his draft position until his fifth season.

In today's NFL, he'd have been cut by Year 3.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

DJ didn't produce to his draft position until his fifth season.

In today's NFL, he'd have been cut by Year 3.

But that's really not what I'm talking about...it's about the direction Dorsey was looking...which was DL. Which..to me..says Poe is potentially gone. It's how they handled Smith once they knew Peters could produce..

DJ was a late bloomer for sure...really rare career trajectory.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Sean Smith argument is completely flawed.

Stating that "draft picks" don't work out is flawed, as the last 15 draft picks are on the current roster.

The point I'm making is that you're talking out of your ass by insulting Pugs and Staylor, and of course me, with your position.

So you're saying that the team can be above mediocre without its best players. That puts my mind at ease. I never claimed draft picks don't work out. You're literally inventing things to argue against.

As for insults, I only responded in kind to Staylor when he came at with his typical "moron" response to an opinion he doesn't like. As for you, it's so laughably hypocritical that you're crying about this, it barely deserves a response.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by jspchief

So you're saying that the team can be above mediocre without its best players. That puts my mind at ease. I never claimed draft picks don't work out. You're literally inventing things to argue against.

As for insults, I only responded in kind to Staylor when he came at with his typical "moron" response to an opinion he doesn't like. As for you, it's so laughably hypocritical that you're crying about this, it barely deserves a response.

Crying? You know what? **** you. You've been a gigantic dickhead all year.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: When the Chiefs sucked, your constant bitching and whining was somewhat relevant.

But from 2013-2015? No, not at all.

If you want to bitch, go ahead and bitch. But don't pretend that I just go off on anyone and everyone, because it's complete fallacy. But hey, whatever makes you happy, which currently is living in denial about your rampant dumbassery.

But hey, kudos for proving you're a dumb**** that lives in the past.

Glory Days!

[O.city]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Morse is potential all pro now? Is this a mizzou thing?

No, not really.

Being as good as he was as a rookie, I'd think that's the pathway he's on. Same with Peters

[Mr. Laz]

Poe and Berry walk, cap issue solved.

Howard to NT, Jones drafted to step into RDE spot
Drafted tons of secondary guys this year so Parker could move back to FS

Dorsey SOP


Sorry fellas

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Poe and Berry walk, cap issue solved.

Howard to NT, Jones drafted to step into RDE spot
Drafted tons of secondary guys this year so Parker could move back to FS

Dorsey SOP


Sorry fellas

Dorsey has already been working on extensions for Berry and Poe. Berry isn't going anywhere. Doesn't sound like Poe is either.

[Chief Roundup]

In looking at the link in pugs OP there are a couple of things that caught my eye this morning.
Cutting Tyler Bray would save $1.225M. Since we drafted Hogan it seems that unless Bray has some coming out party that he is likely gone.
Jamaal Charles' contract expires after the 2017 season. We could do some kind of extension to drop his $7M cap number in 2017. Depending on how this season plays out Charles may be expendable as well.

[RunKC]

2018 FA's:

Fisher-will most likely extend
JC-will probably retire or take small extension
Colquitt
Ford-5th year option?
Ware
Gaines-will most likey extend at small rate
Fulton
LDT
Howard-29 in 2018.

Dorsey's history says DE to replace Howard will be our first Rd pick in 2017 draft unless Ford bombs (OLB in next year's draft is as loaded as DL in this year's) with another OL in the mid rounds.