Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93

[Direckshun]

Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had.

Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway).

So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall.

HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls.

Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess.

They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer.

While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE.

In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term.

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.

[RunKC]

We traded two 2nd round picks for Alex Smith, the QB our coach loves. He's starting for the next 4-5 years.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Geno is not Mother Teresa. Yet.
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[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's pretty apparent that you change your mind every single day, if not twice a day, with your mock drafts.

I've had the same opinion all off-season: Geno Smith is not worthy of #1 overall.

Yet, none of you guys can concede that point and continue to canonize him every day.

I do change my mind, it's called adjusting to new information. The draft is an extremely fluid process. No shame in that.

But for all your bragging about consistency, you're certainly having a hell of a time changing your argument.

You were arguing that Geno Smith is not a 1st round caliber player.

Now you're arguing that he's not worthy of the 1st overall pick.

Those are two separate arguments. Combined, of course, with your little strawman flourish at the end.

[Canofbier]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

**** you.

I proved my point to you, then you moved the goal post. Then you said that Drew Brees had a questionable arm (which is horseshit) and failed to prove it.

I kicked your stupid pathetic ass.

I said that Brees' arm wasn't anything special, not that it was questionable. Those were my exact words - YOU were the one to draw false conclusions from them. I said I would look it up, you aggressively said that you didn't give a shit so I didn't bother. Now you're whining that I didn't retrieve that info for you.

You're like a petulant child. If you would be a little more measured in your statements (and quit assuming the worst in others' statements), we could actually be having a discussion right now.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Thank you.

Well, at least I don't change my mind about players every 8 hours and make 4,453 mock drafts from January 1st until Draft Day.

You certainly could. I don't see a problem with that.

[WakkaWakka]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Actually, that's not true. I watched several games on YouTube a few weeks back and watched the Combines.

The guy is not worthy of the number one overall pick, no matter what you, or SNR or Direckshun believes today or KC Tattoo, etc.

NOT #1 overall. Period.

Alex Smith isn't worthy of two 2nd round picks...what's your point?

[Consistent1]

Originally Posted by Canofbier

Brees always had strong accuracy and anticipation (the qualities that make him great today), and yet he fell to the second round in a draft that wasn't exactly stuffed with talent. I'll look for a scouting report.

There is a crazy Sports Science episode with Brees being just stupid accurate.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I cant WAIT to draft Geno!/Dane
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[Direckshun]

I assume we'll be getting an apology thread in a week or two.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

Gosselin doesn't have his big board out yet.
Schefter and Glazer are reporters, not draft analysts. All they can do is say, "Some anonymous GM says Geno Smith has a 24-inch cock." The same goes for Peter King. No, I'm not going to waste my team researching everything these guys have said about Geno Smith recently.

I don't know about Clark Judge, but something tells me you read something that says he's sour on Geno, so you may as well post it.

Exactly.

Schefter, Glazer, King and Judge are in touch with bonafide NFL scouts and GM's everyday. Either they've been silent on Geno Smith or they've point out doubts that true NFL people have about him.

Guys like Matt Miller and Walter and every other internet based guy isn't connected: It's pure conjecture. It's a crossword puzzle that they try to solve to look "smart" and attract website traffic.

This isn't personal. I couldn't care less if the guy goes in the first round or the 7th round. I'm just tired of the praise that showered upon him in this forum when it's the only place that does so.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Canofbier

I said that Brees' arm wasn't anything special, not that it was questionable. Those were my exact words - YOU were the one to draw false conclusions from them. I said I would look it up, you aggressively said that you didn't give a shit so I didn't bother. Now you're whining that I didn't retrieve that info for you.

You're like a petulant child. If you would be a little more measured in your statements (and quit assuming the worst in others' statements), we could actually be having a discussion right now.

And you're a ****ing moron that failed to prove anything you've said.

Good job, Dumbass.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I assume we'll be getting an apology thread in a week or two.

lmao...I assume you'll be waiting till hell freezes.....lolz
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[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I assume we'll be getting an apology thread in a week or two.

So you actually believe that the Chiefs will draft Geno Smith #1 overall, and spend their first and second round picks on quarterbacks?



You people are ****ing delusional

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Schefter, Glazer, King and Judge are in touch with bonafide NFL scouts and GM's everyday. Either they've been silent on Geno Smith or they've point out doubts that true NFL people have about him.

Unfortunately, in draft season, that doesn't mean much.

Schefter, for instance, is not going to risk his ironclad reputation reporting shit on what teams like what draft prospects for the most part, because 100% of the information they are fed is smokescreen bullshit.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Dane, what's REALLY goin' on here? Lol....oh shit...
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