Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 68

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

Nickhead · 10-23-2018, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TinyEvel

See, this European pro soccer (football) player Phillipe Coutinho cuts a hole in his Nike... Ge the man some scissors and get him back on the field!

GloryDayz · 10-23-2018, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TinyEvel

See, this European pro soccer (football) player Phillipe Coutinho cuts a hole in his Nike... Ge the man some scissors and get him back on the field!

But you forget, some of our players aren't gladiators... Berry's not a gladiator, he's a very rich bench-warmer, and he seems happy with that role!

For Berry:

OKchiefs · 10-23-2018, 06:28 PM

So tomorrow I'm wondering if we're headed for a hat trick with Berry, Houston, and Morse all not practicing for the third straight week.

staylor26 · 10-23-2018, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

So tomorrow I'm wondering if we're headed for a hat trick with Berry, Houston, and Morse all not practicing for the third straight week.

Lol wut?

**MahiMike** · 10-23-2018, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TinyEvel

See, this European pro soccer (football) player Phillipe Coutinho cuts a hole in his Nike... Ge the man some scissors and get him back on the field!

Holy shit! We've figured it out. Get this over to Andy. Stat!

OKchiefs · 10-24-2018, 10:54 AM

Well, all three are yet again not practicing. I hate sounding like a broken ****ing record. My God, can't Berry even ****ing practice in a limited capacity after almost 3 months off?

TLO · 10-24-2018, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Well, all three are yet again not practicing. I hate sounding like a broken ****ing record. My God, can't Berry even ****ing practice in a limited capacity after almost 3 months off?

He's D2D

Chris Meck · 10-24-2018, 11:20 AM

Is there some...like financial advantage for the team not IR'ing Berry? I'm looking for some reasoning here beyond that they really think he's DAY TO DAY. I mean, that's clearly not the case. Not one for conspiracy theories, but there has to be some reason.

htismaqe · 10-24-2018, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Is there some...like financial advantage for the team not IR'ing Berry? I'm looking for some reasoning here beyond that they really think he's DAY TO DAY. I mean, that's clearly not the case. Not one for conspiracy theories, but there has to be some reason.

I honestly think there's a disconnect here.

The Chiefs think he can play, he says he can't. So they're at an impasse.

The Chiefs say he's "day to day" because they honestly think today is the day he decides to play. Then he walks in and says "No, not today. Still hurts."

O.city · 10-24-2018, 11:23 AM

I kind of think that's what it is too.

TEX · 10-24-2018, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I honestly think there's a disconnect here.

The Chiefs think he can play, he says he can't. So they're at an impasse.

The Chiefs say he's "day to day" because they honestly think today is the day he decides to play. Then he walks in and says "No, not today. Still hurts."

Yep. Too bad the Chiefs can't say, "Eric, BTW, no more $$$ until today really is the day..."

RunKC · 10-24-2018, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I honestly think there's a disconnect here.

The Chiefs think he can play, he says he can't. So they're at an impasse.

The Chiefs say he's "day to day" because they honestly think today is the day he decides to play. Then he walks in and says "No, not today. Still hurts."

Whether that is the case or not, just sit the guy. We play the Broncos, Browns and Cardinals the next 3 weeks. We shouldn’t need him for those games.

If it’s December 1st and this guy still hasn’t practiced, then I’ll start to panic.

htismaqe · 10-24-2018, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Whether that is the case or not, just sit the guy. We play the Broncos, Browns and Cardinals the next 3 weeks. We shouldn’t need him for those games.

If it’s December 1st and this guy still hasn’t practiced, then I’ll start to panic.

They could have used him for the New England game. Kind of tired of waiting around for him. Sorry.

Marcellus · 10-24-2018, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Whether that is the case or not, just sit the guy. We play the Broncos, Browns and Cardinals the next 3 weeks. We shouldn’t need him for those games.

If it’s December 1st and this guy still hasn’t practiced, then I’ll start to panic.

I think its possible the team has told him to keep rehabbing and chill out for a while and not the other way around.

Its incomprehensible Berry is pussy footing this (pun intended).

O.city · 10-24-2018, 12:03 PM

You can pretty much rule him out 2 weeks ahead. They'll let him practice for a while I'd think before he plays so no practice this week, no game next week.

If you want him for the Rams, he needs to probably start practicing next week

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1526899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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10-24-2018, 11:20 AM	#1013
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1564910	Is there some...like financial advantage for the team not IR'ing Berry? I'm looking for some reasoning here beyond that they really think he's DAY TO DAY. I mean, that's clearly not the case. Not one for conspiracy theories, but there has to be some reason.
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10-24-2018, 11:23 AM	#1015
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2344064	I kind of think that's what it is too.
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10-24-2018, 12:03 PM	#1020
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2344064	You can pretty much rule him out 2 weeks ahead. They'll let him practice for a while I'd think before he plays so no practice this week, no game next week. If you want him for the Rams, he needs to probably start practicing next week
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